=HOG= (North America)

[Tequila]

Usually good server, but lately I have experienced an lack of responses from admins.

Today I join on Fallujah. When I join we have 9 sqds, around 7 ppl unassigned and at the same time we have a bradley, LAV and AAV sqd, with 2 ppl in each.

I ask if they cant all join one, and the only response I get from dy21, who as I see is admin, is that they can join his. Hence the problem, everyone does not want to give up "their" sqd and want the others to join theirs.

Could you not, as admin set an example and join theirs, or as admin, make them join yours. Doing nothing is not helpful. Several other admins online, but sadly no response.

There was around 2 other full inf sqds that where working as a team, the rest was either full sniper sqd or more or less a "free kits" sqds with the sqd members spread all over the map with little cohesion.

I'll talk to dy and see what happened. It was probably a breakdown in communication, but if it was something that we can fix, I'll fix it. Thanks for letting us know.

[Murphy]

Been having some late night PR rounds on your server, it's nice to have active admins on at such odd hours.

Great games, good players, and you get a decent bit of team work most of the time. Keep up the good work!

[DesmoLocke]

With TG gone for good, HOG is my preferred server. Keep it up!

[brezmans]

Thanks Murphy & Desmo! Thanks for bringing some teamwork to PR in these dire times.

[Brainlaag]

I remember HOG being on my "no-go" list but I gave it a shot after people giving positive feedback.

Admins: There is a lack of admins, especially during European time but with this being a NA server, it's not a big deal. I am however slightly disappoint by the tone of some admins. Example being =HOG=Devilsdog (I think, was something with devil) warning people with "stfu". Not really a direct issue but it is a stain you can easily remove and improve your server.

Although I have to say gameplay has improved a lot in comparison to what I had in memory, it's still below average, with very little comms (probably due to the very mixed playerbase, from Japanese to Russian, you get everything). That said, HOG suffers from the same disease =H= succumbed to and CIA is affected by. Being the most "popular" server, with public map votes etc, it has the same attracting effect to the worst kind of PR players like steaming feces to flies. The only way I can see you "fixing" this, is by running the server a bit tighter and making your administration staff act in a more professional way.

Map rotation is, uhm, bad because you usually get to play the same maps a couple of times per day. Partially the admins fault for making same/similar votes, partially because, well, of the retarded playerbase. Randomizing the votes would be much appreciated. Replacing them with a maplist even more so.

Nonetheless, HOG has improved and hopefully will keep doing so in the future.

[Squirrel[STF]]

Very great server. The admins work very hard to keep everyone in check, and make sure all the rules are followed. Every report I've ever done in-game, was taken care of quickly and efficiently. I've noticed in the early mornings, when it's the only US server active, there are a lack of; or no admins at all. This being said, the pubs really handle it well, and stay true to the rules. During the day, I've noticed team balancing as an issue. By this I mean, 1 team would be far superior(filled with PR Vets & very experienced players) and the other, not so much, leading to some very quick matches, which can very very unfortunate if the server is running a fun map. Simple fixes to improving a wonderful representation of what PR should be.

[Brainlaag]

I'll have to alter my feedback a bit given the differnt prime times:

For US time the gamplay is fairly decent, with quite some comms going on and a fair amount of admins.

[Anderson29]

i have also been playing the shit out of hog server since 1.0 with no complaints and it is quite a lot better than the "childish admins of mattrah" you guys had prior to 1.0.

so i say good job and whatever yall r doing...keep it up.

[__Super_6__5__]

thanks everyone, we appreciate all feedback, especially the good!

[__Super_6__5__]

We are currently looking for guest admins to fill some voids mainly late evening till morning US time zones.

There will be a process to follow to become one beginning with an interview. We are no longer just handing admin rights even to our own. We have instituted a program to train the new admins and to instruct them on all available tools to do so. We feel our server is fair and want to train our admins that way and to have them up to date on information etc.
The applicants do not have to be with a clan nor do you have to have previous experience as an admin. Being an admin on HOG does not include HOG membership. You can apply for membership seperatly.
This is not going to be one day process and shouldnt be, how long will depend on the applicant, the trainer and the senior admins.
If you wish to apply then go to our forums at http://www.hogclangaming.com and PM me.

Thanks!

[Anderson29]

well i had a problem with your server today.

1st of all i got banned (5:07 cst) for saying "prta(prwars) sucks" over mumble, even though what i actually said was "cia server sucks...at the moment", but that isnt the main issue because i already talked this through with what i guess was a prta(prwars) admin on your ts server.
side note:i dont know but when i was an admin at TBA back a long time ago i never banned anyone for saying i suck...maybe if they cussed me out i would kick...but what happened today to me seems a bit extreme....

what i do have a problem with is that your front page with all the server info in not up to date. So basically i downloaded ventrilio for nothing and wasted about 30 minutes trying to figure vent out and connect to a server that doesn't exist in order to find out why i was banned because i was given no notice to why i was being banned for whatever reason....

then i give up and go to ur website to make a forum post and then i see that yall use teamspeak. so i connect...and wait in the admin/help channel for over an hour, waiting for someone to come and talk to me and see what's up..i even poked hurl or harley or some server admin in the PR channel whose name started with an H..no responses or anything so i start trying to see if i can get in any channel that has someone in it in order to figure out if there is a way to some how sort all this out before i go out for dinner.
so eventually i find out that i can join the prta(prwars) channel and proceed to have a chat with whom i assume was the banning admin.
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so i would humbly suggest that this is something in need of repair and/or improvement so this kind of ordeal doesn't happen to others. thx

edits made in bold.

[Psyrus]

Today I join on Fallujah. When I join we have 9 sqds, around 7 ppl unassigned and at the same time we have a bradley, LAV and AAV sqd, with 2 ppl in each.

There was around 2 other full inf sqds that where working as a team, the rest was either full sniper sqd or more or less a "free kits" sqds with the sqd members spread all over the map with little cohesion.

Yeah, we really need to figure out as a community at large (not just HOG) what to do about this. The old rules of "every asset has to have it's own named squad" doesn't work with 50 people per team and CAS, tanks and several types of apcs, not to mention transport choppers. That generally leaves 2-4 slots for the rest of the infantry.

I find the below completely unacceptable, regardless of whether the server was full or not.


My suggestions for rule amendments are as follows (in no particular order):

• Change the 'named asset' rule to 'named category' such as "APC", "Tanks/IFV", "CAS", no more "Bradley", "LAV", "BMP3" squads.
• Implement rules such as "No recon/AAV/Freekit squads" - These must mix into the regular squads, such as how I make "Trans/Recon" squads
• Have a minimum #of players to lock for a squad. Like for example "No squad locking under 5 players"
• Allow Airtrans/APCs to be attached to squads (IE no special squad required), so that it frees up squad slots for other inf squads.

[Brainlaag]

well i had a problem with your server today.

1st of all i got banned (5:07 cst) for saying "prta sucks" over mumble, even though what i actually said was "cia server sucks...at the moment", but that isnt the main issue because i already talked this through with what i guess was a prta admin on your ts server.
side note:i dont know but when i was an admin at TBA back a long time ago i never banned anyone for saying i suck...maybe if they cussed me out i would kick...but what happened today to me seems a bit extreme....

what i do have a problem with is that your front page with all the server info in not up to date. So basically i downloaded ventrilio for nothing and wasted about 30 minutes trying to figure vent out and connect to a server that doesn't exist in order to find out why i was banned because i was given no notice to why i was being banned for whatever reason....

then i give up and go to ur website to make a forum post and then i see that yall use teamspeak. so i connect...and wait in the admin/help channel for over an hour, waiting for someone to come and talk to me and see what's up..i even poked hurl or harley or some server admin in the PR channel whose name started with an H..no responses or anything so i start trying to see if i can get in any channel that has someone in it in order to figure out if there is a way to some how sort all this out before i go out for dinner.
so eventually i find out that i can join the prta channel and proceed to have a chat with whom i assume was the banning admin.
ENDofStory
so i would humbly suggest that this is something in need of repair and/or improvement so this kind of ordeal doesn't happen to others. thx

Uhh not sure how PRTA is affiliated with HOG and why an admin should, or could have banned you on their server.

[brezmans]

well i had a problem with your server today.

1st of all i got banned (5:07 cst) for saying "prta sucks" over mumble, even though what i actually said was "cia server sucks...at the moment", but that isnt the main issue because i already talked this through with what i guess was a prta admin on your ts server.
side note:i dont know but when i was an admin at TBA back a long time ago i never banned anyone for saying i suck...maybe if they cussed me out i would kick...but what happened today to me seems a bit extreme....

what i do have a problem with is that your front page with all the server info in not up to date. So basically i downloaded ventrilio for nothing and wasted about 30 minutes trying to figure vent out and connect to a server that doesn't exist in order to find out why i was banned because i was given no notice to why i was being banned for whatever reason....

then i give up and go to ur website to make a forum post and then i see that yall use teamspeak. so i connect...and wait in the admin/help channel for over an hour, waiting for someone to come and talk to me and see what's up..i even poked hurl or harley or some server admin in the PR channel whose name started with an H..no responses or anything so i start trying to see if i can get in any channel that has someone in it in order to figure out if there is a way to some how sort all this out before i go out for dinner.
so eventually i find out that i can join the prta channel and proceed to have a chat with whom i assume was the banning admin.
ENDofStory
so i would humbly suggest that this is something in need of repair and/or improvement so this kind of ordeal doesn't happen to others. thx

As Brainlaag posted as well, I'm quite confused as to how PRTA and HOG are related in your post? Did you get banned on PRTA or on HOG? I don't see you on our banlist in any case.

[brezmans]

Psyrus;1962774']Yeah, we really need to figure out as a community at large (not just HOG) what to do about this. The old rules of "every asset has to have it's own named squad" doesn't work with 50 people per team and CAS, tanks and several types of apcs, not to mention transport choppers. That generally leaves 2-4 slots for the rest of the infantry.

I find the below completely unacceptable, regardless of whether the server was full or not.


My suggestions for rule amendments are as follows (in no particular order):

• Change the 'named asset' rule to 'named category' such as "APC", "Tanks/IFV", "CAS", no more "Bradley", "LAV", "BMP3" squads.
• Implement rules such as "No recon/AAV/Freekit squads" - These must mix into the regular squads, such as how I make "Trans/Recon" squads
• Have a minimum #of players to lock for a squad. Like for example "No squad locking under 5 players"
• Allow Airtrans/APCs to be attached to squads (IE no special squad required), so that it frees up squad slots for other inf squads.

Those screenshots are completely unacceptable. When were these taken? We have a rule against locking squads: do not lock your squad unless you're operating heavy assets.

[Psyrus]

Those screenshots are completely unacceptable. When were these taken? We have a rule against locking squads: do not lock your squad unless you're operating heavy assets.

IMO the squad locking is secondary to the misallocation of squad slots, but nevertheless, the first was taken last week on Tuesday, the latter was taken today.

[Anderson29]

the one screen shot of shijia where i am commander was cia server i "think"...(i have a really bad memory with all the concussions i have had and two ieds iwas hit by)...and it was pretty late at night and there were no admins online but maybe 1 or 2 guys with cia tags...and we won that round by the way.

and yes i was banned on HOG server by what i guess was a prta(prwars) guy or maybe he requested that i be banned. when i finally talked to this guy he said it was a 3 hour ban and passed it off as no big deal. which only pisses a person off even more, but whatever it was fine because i was leaving to go out for dinner.

edit: update my mistake, sorry prta:
oh i just looked at your hog teamspeak and apparently it was prwars that banned me....because i apparently said "prwars sucks" i guess....hell i dont know...all i know is that i said "cia server sucks...at the moment" after puppydough said something and i kinda know puppy so i was just...i dont know...messing with him to get a rise type shit..ya know? anyways i dont know who prta is or prwar and i have no idea why i would think they suck...but whatever....that's not the main issue...ur front page of this thread is my only concern.

and it happened at 5:07 sunday afternoon central time after the round of barracuda where i was a SL. so whatever map was after barracuda is where u should find it in the logs. and the ban has expired by the way

[Tequila]

the one screen shot of shijia where i am commander was cia server i "think"...(i have a really bad memory with all the concussions i have had and two ieds iwas hit by)...and it was pretty late at night and there were no admins online but maybe 1 or 2 guys with cia tags...and we won that round by the way.

and yes i was banned on HOG server by what i guess was a prta(prwars) guy or maybe he requested that i be banned. when i finally talked to this guy he said it was a 3 hour ban and passed it off as no big deal. which only pisses a person off even more, but whatever it was fine because i was leaving to go out for dinner.

edit: update my mistake, sorry prta:
oh i just looked at your hog teamspeak and apparently it was prwars that banned me....because i apparently said "prwars sucks" i guess....hell i dont know...all i know is that i said "cia server sucks...at the moment" after puppydough said something and i kinda know puppy so i was just...i dont know...messing with him to get a rise type shit..ya know? anyways i dont know who prta is or prwar and i have no idea why i would think they suck...but whatever....that's not the main issue...ur front page of this thread is my only concern.

and it happened at 5:07 sunday afternoon central time after the round of barracuda where i was a SL. so whatever map was after barracuda is where u should find it in the logs. and the ban has expired by the way

I'll take a look at the chat logs and see what happened. If it was just for saying "prwars sucks" or something along that lines, I'll talk to the admin. I take a lot more shit than that every night and just laugh it off. Not liking a clan is not a reason for a kick or a tempban.

[SyntheticCoyote]

I would love to see these logs as well...

[Tequila]

I'll PM you or have a hog admin PM you the logs Syntheic.
I shot Super a message on the forum to see if we can take a look at what happened.