Using Trans Helicopters as CAS.

[matty1053]

Well, I am asking PR players if Trans Helicopters should be used as "CAS choppers"


I have seen this too many times recently. (Mainly on Ramiel for some reason...)

True story...

I was squad leading a INF squad on Ramiel. We took the enemy cache out, cleared area and then called for Extraction from the area. My squad mate pointed out.... "Well I didn't know that Blackhawks are CAShawks now..."

The pilot was constantly flying in a circle around the enemy known cache.
I was constantly on mumble...

"Squad 3 I need trans at M9 k5" (or where ever the docks is located on Ramiel)

...
Never was answered.

So, about waiting one minute. We realized the CAShawk was hit by a RPG and ended up crashing.



(If an Moderator could add a poll)

Question : Do you think Trans Heli's can be used as CAS?

Answers...

A. Yes!
B. No way!
C. As long as he responds to requests of the team, I don't care!
D. Hopefully he gets shot down!!!

[paul161616]

I've seen this before, and although it is a good tactic(assuming the pilot knows how to fly, and when to leave the area), aiding the grunts on the ground should always be priority. For a trans pilot, alot of games include flying people all over the place for the first 5 mins, then sitting at main the rest of the round. so i can see multiple reasons why its a good idea, but your main role as transport should always be first on the list.

[rPoXoTauJIo]

As long as pilot staying alive for a long time, and there is always another transport helicopter with pilot ready, it should be ok. But imo, doing supply drops over the map a lot more effective and safe way to support team.

[Jevski]

No.

Its rarely usefull, and usualy the BH ends up tking instead and getting shot down, and then the team has to wait 10-20 for respawn. On certain maps Trans choppers are vital, and the little support they give circling is nil compared to the trans/crate role they otherwise fulfill. Also, having it flying in a predicted path ie. circling makes it an easy target

[matty1053]

Lol when I was playing muttrah and the USMC had 2 hurts doing flippen CAS runs. Literally trans Huey's had a guy with lat kit and was firing them at what ever was mec. I was in the BTR squad. Took all of the choppers down. At least one flipped out and crashed into the fortress.



But I thinks it's ridiculous.

[IWI-GALIL.556FA]

another pointless troll thread

Thread is legit, please remain on-topic. - Spec

[Spook]

another pointless troll thread

Yep.. just another spam thread, what sense does it make to discuss this here? That needs to be decided by every server admin for themselves, wether it is allowed or not.

[matty1053]

How is this a troll thread.

But all I am doing is asking pr community a simple question.
Should trans helis be used as cas helis.

If you don't want to answer this or if you don't like this thread, then don't waste the time it took you to read and or reply.
It only matters what the mods think. I am sure some do not like threads like this.

[matty1053]

Yes.

But still.

As long as you respond to request. Then I am fine.

[Pronck]

I am fine as long as they respond to requests and don't use 8 people to fire out of it. For example a Blackhawk with the 2 door guns can be very effective, when you keep the other spots open you've got enough room to transport people you cannot fit a full squad anyway so in case 8 people need to be transported a second Blackhawk is necassery.

My ideal insertion is 2 armed helicopters with the first helicopter landing first while the second helicopter circles over the LZ supressing the enemy firing positions around it, when the first helicopter is ready to take over this role the second helicopter can go in for landing and drop his troops. With this tactic you'll always be able to cover the other helicopter, aswell as the troops on the ground and your own helicopters. But as always donnot hover! That's often the deathsentence for those who use transport helicopters as CAS, it's either hovering or going for heavy armed targets which should never be engaged by vehicles that aren't designed to take those targets out.

[CR8Z]

It's fine as long as they do what I want. But if they don't, I guess there isn't much I can do about it anyway, and I'll just do what I always do, and play the game with the cards that I'm dealt.

[GlaDi]

Imagine it on Vietnam maps...

[Rudd]

Trans CAS is fine, as long as it's being done against an appropriate target. With 8 man squads, 2 trans helos with 1-2 gunners each are still capable of transporting a squad and can also put down formiddible amounts of firepower. The trick is to keep at a reasonable altitude and bug out at the first sign of anything powerful enough to hurt you. If the trans choppers are also in the CAS squad, then you can quickly bring huge amounts of firepower to bear.

However, one helo acting alone with 2 gunners means it cannot fullfill its transport duties at all, no infantry squad will be happy to hear it has to leave 3 guys behind (please trans, work in pairs!)

[Kerryburgerking]

Correct me if i am wrong but the MGs on trans helos were never men't to provide fire support. They were just a mean of self defense.

[matty1053]

Trans CAS is fine, as long as it's being done against an appropriate target. With 8 man squads, 2 trans helos with 1-2 gunners each are still capable of transporting a squad and can also put down formiddible amounts of firepower. The trick is to keep at a reasonable altitude and bug out at the first sign of anything powerful enough to hurt you. If the trans choppers are also in the CAS squad, then you can quickly bring huge amounts of firepower to bear.

However, one helo acting alone with 2 gunners means it cannot fullfill its transport duties at all, no infantry squad will be happy to hear it has to leave 3 guys behind (please trans, work in pairs!)

I remember 2 days ago on muttrah iirc... we had one squad as TRANS, and one as TRANS GUNNERS.

I was like wtf... then left.

[Tarranauha200]

Using trans as CAS is stupid and ineffective. The helicopter will get shot down eventually.

[lukeviper248]

Using Blackhawks and Hueys as cas is very effective on insurgency maps, and maps where there is not alot of enemy armor. In a ramiel map I was in a squad with both little birds and blackhawks. After the intial lb mission was done, the little bird pilots grabbed crew kits and gunned for the blackhawks, we had 3 blackhawks doing ovals around enemy fobs and so forth and did a great deal of damage. The proper way to do cas from a trans helicopter is to stay about 10 feet above rooftops and stay fast. Sometimes because the gunner can aim the gun on the blackhawk , the blackhawk is more effective for troop support then cas lbs

[obpmgmua]

No.

The guns usually aren't accurate or damaging enough to be useful enough for CAS. And it requires 3 men minimum to fully crew the chopper, taking up valuable squad seating space in the chopper. And you have to fly really slow with either side facing the enemy making it harder for you to spot and evade threats.

Pre 1.0 when we still had the ability to fire our weapons out of the choppers, a Chopper Assault Squad could and would do alot of damage.(Having a combat engy dropping C4 and AT mines over enemy vehicles was fun. Having AA and HAT ride along with you and take down all armored threats was awesome! Having Grenadier rain hell from above!)