=HOG= (North America)

[StandardSmurf]

Hi the website for ban appeals isn't working for me and has not for like 4 or 5 months. I was banned for saying the word "nigga" while using squad mumble and doing a black guy voice. I'd really really like to get unbanned since HOG is one of the only US servers. I actually didn't know about the racism rule and wont repeat what I did. Please let me back on I played on HOG for a long long time since .85 and was a PRWARS guy and admin for a while. Thanks.

[__Super_6__5__]

hey guys, HOG is hosting an event, tomorrow at 2100 PR time. hope to see you there!

https://www.realitymod.com/forum/f376-p ... 00prt.html

[Souls Of Mischief]

Had an awesome game as MEC on Sbeneh. Nice teamwork all around!

Big thanks to MajesticTerror - awesome SL.

[Rabbit]

Stop being rude to people who hate the next map that won the vote. If you active take part in talking back, whether justified or not is the best way to unpopulated your server and keep the 2 starts you have for this thread. All it takes is 31% of people to make a map win, leaving the other 69% mad, especially if its muttrah which is played to death. I left the server after seeing the admin do that, its just bad judgement on bad math. Pretty much telling players to go f themselves when muttrah won is a bad thing, not for you, but your clan. If you see that much annoyance, run a fucking map vote of muttrah yes or no. If most of it is no, redo the damn vote without it.

Again, even if 1/3 of the people voted for it, and 2/3 didnt, a response like this.

Is just bad management. But hey, that's just one mans opinion.

[__Super_6__5__]

no one was being rude, as an r-dev i would expect the truth at least. here are the logs, even the pubbers were being more "rude" than us.

so, we are supposed to run a vote, then ignore what wins?

we are supposed to run a vote, then rerun a vote to see if the map that won is really wanting to be played or not?

why didnt the 69% vote then, they would have won the vote?

how are we supposed to know what map the "silent" 69% actually want? i have an idea, we can allow them the same voting oppurtunities as everyone else on the server.

you are an r-dev, have muttrah removed from the map selection.

go to another server thats not running muttrah.

which name is yours in this log?

we dont make the maps, we just play on them.

that horrible map was at capacity they entire round.

there were 263 people playing pr in the whole world, of that 100 were playing muttrah, the rest were divided between 4 other servers, your mathematical opinion of that map may be off.



=HOG= Sgt.Strudel: !setnext mutt cq lrg
[20:14 GLOBAL ] Fugitive: most overplayed map ever
[20:14 GLOBAL ] OBAMA_BIN_LADEN: MUTTRAH NO PLEASE
[20:14 GLOBAL ] Alaska: I am shocked.
[20:14 GLOBAL ] Manrage: why would we play that ovrplayed map
[20:14 GLOBAL ] |PR| Nestleman: wow
[20:14 GLOBAL ] Alaska: At Muttrah winning.
[20:14 GLOBAL ] Phuck: !showext
[20:14 GLOBAL ] OBAMA_BIN_LADEN: Yeah is so overplayed
[20:14 GLOBAL ] PrivateTehRyan: who the fuck votes for it
[20:14 GLOBAL ] Phuck: oh really FUCK muttrah
[20:14 GLOBAL ] |PR| Nestleman: srs
[20:14 SQUAD 4 ] Crack_Kills: its unknown but one spawned here
[20:14 GLOBAL ] Phuck: I didnt even realize there was a vote
[20:14 SQUAD 7 ] [OD-S]Munchy: Hammell move to mw
[20:14 TEAM 2 ] [OD-S]Rabbit: annnnnd I'm leaving this server before that map
[20:14 SQUAD 7 ] [OD-S]Munchy: me
[20:15 TEAM 1 ] prWARs DEADLIE1: u werent around for the 6 24/7 kashan serbers
[20:15 TEAM 1 ] prWARs IcePizza: I love kashan
[20:15 TEAM 2 ] OBAMA_BIN_LADEN: me too
[20:15 TEAM 1 ] prWARs DEADLIE1: serbers lol
[20:15 TEAM 2 ] OBAMA_BIN_LADEN: im leaving
[20:15 GLOBAL ] csxgamerz: OMG 24/7 Muttrah and 24/7 Kashan <#
[20:15 TEAM 2 ] =HOG= Sgt.Strudel: !s When the VOTE comes up VOTE or Dont *****
[20:15 GLOBAL ] csxgamerz: i love kashan cause its sooooo balanced
[20:15 TEAM 2 ] [OD-S]Rabbit: doing both
[20:15 SQUAD 1 ] Adidas: !shownext
[20:15 TEAM 2 ] HadjiHunter: whyd u leave squad?
[20:15 GLOBAL ] =HOG= Sgt.Strudel: !s Does every one not want Muttrah
[20:15 GLOBAL ] |PR| Nestleman: no muttrah
[20:15 GLOBAL ] ThinBlueLine: well if we voted it
[20:15 GLOBAL ] Aookami: no, f we voted for it we want muttrah
[20:15 GLOBAL ] [OD-S]Jedimushroom: Well clearly not because we had a vote
[20:15 TEAM 1 ] Genghis_Khanage: no muttrah
[20:15 GLOBAL ] TF121 [OD-S]ComedyInK: no muttah
[20:16 GLOBAL ] csxgamerz: muttrah won
[20:16 TEAM 2 ] HadjiHunter: ill go aroud
[20:16 GLOBAL ] Adidas: SBENEH IS BEST NEW MAP
[20:16 GLOBAL ] see-RAPTOR-run: EJOD desert
[20:16 GLOBAL ] =HOG= Sgt.Strudel: !s then go play on another server
[20:16 GLOBAL ] HK45Infidel: WE just voted for it
[20:16 SQUAD 2 ] OBAMA_BIN_LADEN: Im going to search cache at C8 and A12
[20:16 GLOBAL ] csxgamerz: Agreed
[20:16 TEAM 2 ] TF121 [OD-S]ComedyInK: #2edgy5me
[20:16 GLOBAL ] OBAMA_BIN_LADEN: I will go to another server
[20:16 SQUAD 9 ] HadjiHunter: neg
[20:16 GLOBAL ] Adidas: lol.
[20:16 GLOBAL ] JIMMY JUSTKILLYOURSELF: OK BYE BYE

[__Super_6__5__]

and btw, your post about this is just rude.

[Rabbit]

and btw, your post about this is just rude.

Yes it was, but I don't manage a server. While I don't condon pubbies being rude, its the admins being rude that can turn players away. Nothing I said was not the truth, hell I even provided a screen shot that an admin was telling people "to bad, play somewhere else". My point is, again ,it only takes 31% for a vote to win, now that's not the majority, so an attitude from a admin like that is not great. There are better ways of handling a situation that "go play somewhere else" such as setting up another map vote with the winner and 2nd place one.

But f me right? Server feedback in the server feedback forums, I'm a real *******.

[Tequila]

I've been in Strudels spot and I have done the same thing. Its hard sometimes and when people complain, it can get to you. To be honest, we can't keep everyone happy. If I vote in Muttrah, Asad, and Marlin, I get people like Rabbit who say that we play the same maps over and over. If I vote in Mestia, Yamalia, and Iron Ridge, some other person(s) will start yelling in all chat how I always pick "shit" maps.

I know it doesn't get noticed, but we run map votes because we care about the server. We want the players to play what they want to play. I know I have been in other servers where the admin would just put in what map they wanted, and if I complained I would be removed for "disrupting gameplay".

You really can't win. You can't keep everyone happy. You just try your best to keep most of them happy and try not to let the others get under your skin. Not everyone is perfect though and sometimes things like what Strudel said happen. We're human too.

[Brainlaag]

If I vote in Mestia, Yamalia, and Iron Ridge, some other person(s) will start yelling in all chat how I always pick "shit" maps.

There are no shitty maps, only shitty opinions. Keep this in mind and tell it to those whiners that don't want variety and wish for some PR maps to die off.

[Jevski]

Been there, heard that.

Just yesterday. I asked for suggestions. Put up all 3 suggestions i got for a vote, and still ive got players whine. It was even from a guy who didnt make any suggestions, he just wanted a random map but alas, PR has no random generator

And yes, he did get the "if you dont like it, LEAVE" response. Since the complaining about shitty maps is not helpfull at all. Make some suggestions. Base them on the previous played maps, the general skill of the teams.
Ive put in rare played maps in the vote...I get "shitty maps"...I put in the same maps every1 knows Muttrah etc - I get "come on, same shitty overplayed maps"

You let the maplist run...you get "what no vote? Shitty server"

[H.Maverick]

^ what he said, also Jevski you danish?! wut?

But like Jevski said, doesn't matter what you do, someone will always complain, and they are allowed to do so.


I've tried to put in more "rare" maps a lot of times, every time someone says that those maps are no fun, so i mix them up, Rare map vs Popular map, oh look the popular one won, doesn't matter what maps you put in there, someone will always complain.

[Brainlaag]

I've tried to put in more "rare" maps a lot of times, every time someone says that those maps are no fun, so i mix them up, Rare map vs Popular map, oh look the popular one won, doesn't matter what maps you put in there, someone will always complain.

No shit, a popular map wins a vote against a less one? HOW COULD THAT POSSIBLY BE THE CASE?!?!? duh

Honestly, it's not about pleasing the masses, it's about playing the game and expanding on it to the fullest. I get that is also the reason you moved away from your 24/7 insanity.

[__Super_6__5__]

rabbit, even your own clanmate said not to listen to you in the chat. im not going to post it unless you want to see it again.

i think the issue is like the others have said, we cant please everyone, but what is a fact is, the majority vote won and it was for muttrah.

even though you say its rude, we have no other option to say other than, go play on another server. your comments about this, is with all servers that run into this issue, (simply read these feedback threads) is old news and your mad because we didnt play your favorite map. im sorry for that. they cant read your mind and well your not the only player that plays there.

[matty1053]

But honestly, I do love HOG. (Really, it is a clean server. Certain admins do good and 'clean' it up of idiots)

Recently, I was at my buddies house. (HE lives in Kansas City, went to try out Google Fiber, and see how it worked on PR... which it worked GREAT.)
But, it was his first time playing PR, I spent about 4-6 hours showing him the true ropes. (And messing around in Coop ofc). But we went on HOG (his first server and true online match on Deployment w/100p). It was Muttrah. HE enjoyed it so much.
(He then let me play a bit... he had to do some errands.)
Then about 4 hours later, he finished the stuff he was doing.... and went back on HOG.

Guess what? HE joined in, the map was JUST finishing when he joined, he was looking down at his phone, looked up... He honestly asked: "Is this and the other map the only 2 maps in this game???"


But seriously, play some different maps instead of the 2 you guys constantly play.
There are like 43 maps???


Honestly, I think I am glad my ISP disconnects me after 15 min, especially if I type:
!shownext

and see
Muttrah City v2 (AAS, LRG)

There is a long lost map called Iron Ridge. (By far one of the BEST maps for Russia and Militia.)

Please do DIFFERENT maps, not muttrah,assad, gaza as the vote.

[H.Maverick]

Lol, Iron Ridge, i usually put that in there, you wanna guess how many players votes for that?

The answer is "not enough", Just did a mapvote with Iron Ridge, Dragon Fly and i forgot the last map but it was all maps that aren't played enough.

But here is the problem, most people don't vote for these maps for either one of two reasons.

1: They have never played them and therefor are afraid to try it for some reason
2: They don't want to vote for maps they don't like, which seems to be everything except Sebeneh, Kashan, Muttrah and Fallujah

[__Super_6__5__]

this is all human nature. Moving from 24/7 muttrah was like getting people to agree unicorns are real. seriously, it was a long and difficult process to do, why? because people dont like change. Maverick is right, if they dont know the map ins and outs they get nervous.

everyones input is good on this, well, most of it, and we will take into account this when mapping a vote. but, yall should watch the pubber response to those votes, how they act especially on a map thats never played. the never played maps are never played cause they dont like them.

anyway, good feedback and we will see what we can do.

[matty1053]

Honestly, I just hate the admins (not naming, it is only like 3 admins) that CONSTANTLY:

Suggestions?

People type:
Bijar
Vasdo
Khami
Wanda Shan
Sbeneh
Hades

then admin puts:

Muttrah, Gaza, Asad.

Honestly, just take those 2 maps away.

At least put SOMETHING to compete with Muttrah.

How about this...
Run Xiangshan for a round. See how it turns out. Im being serious too.
Last time you guys played Xiangshan, as i remember was like in 1.1 or something.

And I remember the frenchies were 'base raping' the Chinese on their forward outpost flag. Which shouldn't be attackable until there is attack mark on it.

[Brainlaag]

everyones input is good on this, well, most of it, and we will take into account this when mapping a vote. but, yall should watch the pubber response to those votes, how they act especially on a map thats never played. the never played maps are never played cause they dont like them.

I understand your concerns and you are somewhat right but you, the admin staff, are not babysitters there to spoon feed the pubbers and fulfill all their wishes but to keep the server clean and ensure smooth and, most importantly, proper gameplay. This includes also running criss cross all maps to familiarize them with the community. Most pubbers have a massive misconception of admins being their friends, they are not. Sure acting like ******** is not the right course of action either but you don't have to go all "yes my liege" on their request.

Don't hesitate to draw the line here and if somebody really "quits" because of a map he/she doesn't like, I say good so, because selfish nature of that kind is not real PR material.

It might get a bit rocky in the first days/weeks but eventually people will get the hang of it and embrace your decisions.

[__Super_6__5__]

well said brain, thank you.

[Rabbit]

Don't hesitate to draw the line here and if somebody really "quits" because of a map he/she doesn't like, I say good so, because selfish nature of that kind is not real PR material.

How is it selfish that whenever I play a map like wanda shan I'm lucky to find another infantrymen I can engage, its a level that is huge, and asset heavy. Or shit, If I have played muttrah twice already that day, as its the most overplayed map, its not selfish to leave to avoid playing it a 3rd time. My only suggestion was.... Don't tell people just to go play on a different server, if you see a noticeable amount of players complaining run a map vote on the maps that got 1st and 2nd.