New to forums and thinking of a new rig

wrecker · Post by **wrecker** » 2014-08-27 03:04

Hey everyone, I finally decided it was time for me to get on these forums given that I've been playing the game for at least 2 years now :d uh:. Anyway one of the primary reasons I made the leap to the forums is to get some advice on a new rig. I've already done some research but I'm a bit of a perfectionist and I don't wanna mess this up and waste money. My working list is here Intel Core i5-4690K, Asus Radeon HD 7770, Rosewill BlackHawk - System Build - PCPartPicker. Right now I'm dealing with an old laptop that gets 30 fps on all low settings, with no more than 60 players on the server, outside of dense cities, on a good day \

. It's really inhibited my playing experience and capabilities, it's time for a change!

PLODDITHANLEY · Post by **PLODDITHANLEY** » 2014-08-28 01:28

I don't know much but I have been caught out with RAM compatibility, so check the mobo manufacturer's recommended or QVL RAM.
What else do you play?

wrecker · Post by **wrecker** » 2014-08-28 01:40

Nothing yet except tropico 4. But I want to be able to play dayz SA, arma 3, and eventually PR2

DC_K · Post by **DC_K** » 2014-08-28 02:02

Definitely look into getting an SSD for your OS/games. It makes a great difference, especially for arma/dayZ.

wrecker · Post by **wrecker** » 2014-08-28 02:28

Are there any especially good value SSDs out there? My primary concerns, CPU and gpu, are my main money sinks and I'm trying to be as cheap as possible on other parts, so long as they're not reputed to catastrophically fail.

Edit: Just adding my current PC specs so y'all know what I'm used to

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System Information
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  Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium  (6.1.7601)
      Architecture: 64-bit
   Current Culture: English (United States)
       Motherboard: Dell Inc. 0NJWJR
         Processor: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5 CPU       M 430  @ 2.27GHz (Physical: 2, Logical: 4)
            Memory: 4.00 GB
      DIMM Modules: DIMM_A: 2.00 GB @ 1333 MHz
                    DIMM_B: 2.00 GB @ 1333 MHz
         Page File: 3.86 GB
    .NET Framework: 4.5.1, Runtime: 4.0.30319.18444

Display Information
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 Display Device(s): Generic PnP Monitor on ATI Mobility Radeon HD 4500/5100 Series
   Display Mode(s): 1366 x 768 (32 bit) @ 60 Hz
    Driver Version: 8.970.100.1100
    Display Memory: 512.00 MB
     Multisampling: 2, 4
               DPI: 96 (100%)

Audio Information
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  Open AL Renderer: Software
               EAX: True
           EAX 1.0: False
           EAX 2.0: True
           EAX 3.0: False
           EAX 4.0: False
           EAX 5.0: False
             X-RAM: False

Game Information
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    Installed Mods: bf2, pr, xpack
       Current Mod: pr
       BF2 Version: BF2 1.5
        PR Version: 1.2.1.0
          Language: english
   Debug Available: False
     Large Address: True
Supported Hardware: None

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      Profile 0001: <<<SHwrecker15
              Type: Online
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        View Intro: False
        Fullscreen: True
      Display Mode: 1366x768@60Hz
Display Mode Valid: True
   Graphics Scheme: Medium
     Multisampling: 2x
             VSync: False
   Terrain Quality: Low
   Effects Quality: Medium
  Geometry Quality: Low
   Texture Quality: Medium
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   Dynamic Shadows: Medium
    Dynamic Lights: Medium
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               EAX: True

MaSSive · Post by **MaSSive** » 2014-08-28 23:27

Turn off MSAA ( multisample anti aliasing ) for gods sake! It is performance killer. Which model that laptop is?

Save 60$ for cpu by buying it at micro center

http://www.microcenter.com/product/4341 ... _Processor

wrecker · Post by **wrecker** » 2014-08-28 23:29

It's a dell studio 1558. However I have to say I haven't noticed any horrible decline in my fps from turning on multisampling. I used to keep it off but I recently turned it on. Maybe I'll benchmark myself again with it off

MaSSive · Post by **MaSSive** » 2014-08-28 23:48

HD4570 isn't really a gaming card. You can try a few thing here and there, but you're not going to get much out of it. It is the choke point in this laptop, anything else is just fine.

What you can try to do is clearing shaders cache if you haven't already and let it optimize again. Also turn display resolution down if you play @HD..put it in something like 1366x768px

As for the PC you built there its fine + as others said it would be better if you throw SSD in if you can afford it, games run much better, especially ARMA and PR.

wrecker · Post by **wrecker** » 2014-08-29 04:06

Alright, thanks for the advice, I'll do that next time I have the chance

DC_K · Post by **DC_K** » 2014-08-29 14:10

Kingston SSDNow V300 Series SV300S37A/120G 2.5" 120GB SATA III Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) - Newegg.com

ComradeHX · Post by **ComradeHX** » 2014-08-29 22:28

Drop cpu to pentium g3258, buy r9 280x.

New intel cpu is coming out soon, not a good time to buy current gen i5.

PLODDITHANLEY · Post by **PLODDITHANLEY** » 2014-08-30 07:21

But those 2011-3's are mega bucks....the X99 mobos start at around 250$.

ComradeHX · Post by **ComradeHX** » 2014-08-30 23:37

PLODDITHANLEY wrote:But those 2011-3's are mega bucks....the X99 mobos start at around 250$.

Why are you looking at 2011 socketed motherboard?
Z97 boards starts at $100.
H97, B85...etc. boards go even cheaper.

Domfan94 · Post by **Domfan94** » 2014-08-31 05:00

If you want Intel 1150 is the way to go. I myself are running a AsRock H81M-BTC board with a i3-4130. It was 54 euros for mobo and 106 for the i3. Combo that with 8GB of Kingston Hyper X and Asus 660 OC.
It's a pretty good package, only gripe is the i3 since it's a dual core.

wrecker · Post by **wrecker** » 2014-08-31 11:47

I was sort of trying to future proof this computer through the gpu and CPU. I'm sure the i3 could work for now although I am doubtful that it would stand newer games. Also I really have never heard of a pentium being used for gaming. Oh and why 1150 vs 2011

ComradeHX · Post by **ComradeHX** » 2014-08-31 19:59

wrecker wrote:I was sort of trying to future proof this computer through the gpu and CPU. I'm sure the i3 could work for now although I am doubtful that it would stand newer games. Also I really have never heard of a pentium being used for gaming. Oh and why 1150 vs 2011

Pentium g3258 can get a huge overclock(4.5ghz should be easy for most of them even on stock cooler) and have similar performance as high end i3/i5 for many games.
Results: Battlefield 4 - Intel Pentium G3258 CPU Review: Haswell, Unlocked, For $75
Best budget cpu for gaming, imo.

i3 is about the same without overclock since it can't.

I'm using Pentium g3258 at 4.7ghz right now; it has its limitations(and slows down in epic battle in planetside 2 just like every cpu out there) but nothing would make me get cheap AMD over it.

You don't need a super powerful cpu to play new games; you need super powerful GPU.

wrecker wrote:I was sort of trying to future proof this computer through the gpu and CPU. I'm sure the i3 could work for now although I am doubtful that it would stand newer games. Also I really have never heard of a pentium being used for gaming. Oh and why 1150 vs 2011

Because 2011 is for very high end cpu that's mostly for content creation than gaming; I'm pretty sure a octa-core i7 would be overkill for just about every game out there except maybe Arma 3 when BIS actually figure out how to utilize it fully.

New Broadwell will fit in LGA1150 socket so it will most likely be a better choice if you just do gaming and not professional content creation.

PLODDITHANLEY · Post by **PLODDITHANLEY** » 2014-08-31 21:26

ComradeHX wrote:Why are you looking at 2011 socketed motherboard?
Z97 boards starts at $100.
H97, B85...etc. boards go even cheaper.

Just for interest really, and yes the 1150's with a G3258 seems great and if one day you really need 4 core you can get a cheap second hand one as they are incredibly reliable.

MaSSive · Post by **MaSSive** » 2014-08-31 23:19

Not seen pentium used for gaming....wow I must be dinosaur by now.

I see i5 as Pentium III of the new era. It will last long time until something similar but more powerful comes out. I7 is too much expensive and is not really meant for gaming, rather professional CPU intensive work.

So if you want bulletproof machine go as you intended, but listen to others too and make a judgement. I know Id go with i5. Two cores on high frequencies is just not enough anymore, and all those tests are synthetic anyway.

Just for the record, how are voltages and temps doing on 4.7Ghz Pentium?

ComradeHX · Post by **ComradeHX** » 2014-09-01 03:37

MaSSive wrote:Not seen pentium used for gaming....wow I must be dinosaur by now.

I see i5 as Pentium III of the new era. It will last long time until something similar but more powerful comes out. I7 is too much expensive and is not really meant for gaming, rather professional CPU intensive work.

So if you want bulletproof machine go as you intended, but listen to others too and make a judgement. I know Id go with i5. Two cores on high frequencies is just not enough anymore, and all those tests are synthetic anyway.

Just for the record, how are voltages and temps doing on 4.7Ghz Pentium?

Pentium G3258 is haswell...

Those are GAME benchmarks...

If money isn't a problem then of course i5 is better.
But in certain cases it's better to go with cheaper cpu and better gpu.

wrecker · Post by **wrecker** » 2014-09-01 13:59

So what gpu would you recommend
Edit: Oh and I should mention that it's likely I'll be using this desktop in college for things like 3D design and engineering programs so I may need the higher computational capacity (I dont know)