=HOG= (North America)

[Psyrus]

forgive me for this but didn't you checked the gun? or if he saw you and didn't took aim at you? its so rare to accidentally stab that its obvious they thought it was an TK on purpose.

I've been playing this game for years and years consistently and there are times (Dovre Winter, Yamalia, Hades Peak) where I still TK or almost TK. For someone brand new to the game, in the heat of the moment... totally understandable. That being said, I know what you mean that it's easier to report someone for stabbing you than it is for shooting you, it does *seem* less accidental from the TK'd party's viewpoint.

[LiamBai]

Just now, we played Fallujah followed by Kokan. Some admin swapped teams, presumably so that their team played blufor twice in a row. This is absolutely pathetic. I see bad adminning on a lot of servers, but HOG is the only server I've ever seen things this blatantly disrespectful to the players happen, and this isn't the first time.

Luckily this squadbugged the server, so I got to go somewhere else.


As Nate said below me, Jevski did acknowledge this, and I did not see any explanation being given.

[Nate.]

Play Fallujah as Insurgent. All(?) Admins on US side.
Nextmap: Kokan
Load Map. Teams get swapped (?) - immediately after loading. All Admins on US side again.
Instant Karma. Squadbug, Server Restart.

I am dissapointed. At least Jevski had the balls to admit it was wrong (guess it wasn't you who did it.)

/ninja'd

by the way - cool stuff with advertising the tournament! Much appreciated

[Jevski]

It wasnt an admin doing this, teams didnt get switched by server. And yes I did switch to ins.

[LiamBai]

I believe they did get switched. I checked the console and saw the "Swapping teams..." message, unless this happens even when they don't switch.

[__Super_6__5__]

here are the logs, please ask for them rather than making accusations that make you look foolish, thanks!

2014-09-11 15:48:17: SWITCH performed by '=HOG= Gustafinski' on ' BILAL': Instantly
2014-09-11 15:49:47: PLAYERSWITCH performed by 'ADMIN WARNING': jose123 switched team (Not autobalance).
2014-09-11 15:50:28: SWITCH performed by '=HOG= Gustafinski' on ' jose123': Instantly
2014-09-11 15:50:55: PLAYERSWITCH performed by 'ADMIN WARNING': jose123 switched team (Not autobalance).
2014-09-11 15:55:48: SWITCH performed by '=HOG= Gustafinski' on 'TPE PILOTO.RS': Instantly
2014-09-11 15:56:11: W performed by '=HOG= Gustafinski' on ' CaptainSaltyMcNuddz': watch your language
2014-09-11 15:58:19: S performed by '=HOG= Gustafinski': Think! Take longer to look for bikes!
2014-09-11 15:58:59: S performed by '=HOG= Gustafinski': Look. Look. Then look again. Think. Take longer to look for bikes
2014-09-11 16:04:28: PLAYERSWITCH performed by 'ADMIN WARNING': UKWF gibfender switched team (Not autobalance).
2014-09-11 16:21:18: SWITCH performed by '=HOG= GUNNERFUKEDUUP' on ' Muradov': Instantly
2014-09-11 16:54:09: KILL performed by '=HOG= GUNNERFUKEDUUP' on ' jose123': now
2014-09-11 16:58:29: W performed by '=HOG= GUNNERFUKEDUUP' on ' jose123': no camping ins main base
2014-09-11 17:01:17: SETNEXT performed by '=HOG= GUNNERFUKEDUUP': Kokan (Insurgency, 12
2014-09-11 17:04:55: R performed by '=AF= Garcheii': camping main 3 times
2014-09-11 17:14:09: PLAYERSWITCH performed by 'ADMIN WARNING': jose123 switched team (Not autobalance).
2014-09-11 17:28:20: PLAYERSWITCH performed by 'ADMIN WARNING': Pendeho.Nr.1 switched team (Not autobalance).
2014-09-11 17:28:58: TB performed by '=HOG= GUNNERFUKEDUUP' on ' jose123': ghosting fobs banned by =HOG= GUNNERFUKEDUUP
2014-09-11 17:49:44: PLAYERSWITCH performed by 'ADMIN WARNING': TGNR switched team (Not autobalance).
2014-09-11 18:04:43: PLAYERSWITCH performed by 'ADMIN WARNING': Albertino switched team (Not autobalance).
2014-09-11 18:09:25: PLAYERSWITCH performed by 'ADMIN WARNING': simo ramad77 switched team (Not autobalance).
2014-09-11 18:13:30: PLAYERSWITCH performed by 'ADMIN WARNING': [KSK] Norby2 switched team (Not autobalance).
2014-09-11 18:28:56: R performed by ' KillerJoe': US team camping ins main
2014-09-11 18:29:41: REPORT performed by '[BLUE] sickemx': admin can you stop this main **** we have no hideouts anywhere. lol
2014-09-11 18:32:48: R performed by '[BLUE] JayHawk': USMC shooting into INS main without due cause, please do something about it
2014-09-11 18:33:56: R performed by '=IRS= PokerFish': well can you do something about this?? its no fun
2014-09-11 18:56:35: PLAYERSWITCH performed by 'ADMIN WARNING': Akol switched team (Not autobalance).
2014-09-11 18:57:56: W performed by ' Jevski' on ' cesar_iraq': RETURN THE APC
2014-09-11 18:58:29: W performed by ' Jevski' on ' cesar_iraq': RETURN THE APC
2014-09-11 18:59:29: K performed by ' Jevski' on ' cesar_iraq': Asset wasting, practice before using our assets
2014-09-11 19:01:55: RESIGN performed by ' Jevski' on ' lChicha': Your squad is a duplicate, duplicate squads for the same asset is not allowed, disband
2014-09-11 19:02:29: RESIGN performed by ' Jevski' on ' Nejro': Your squad is a duplicate, duplicate squads for the same asset is not allowed, disband
2014-09-11 19:02:35: RESIGN performed by ' Jevski' on ' lChicha': Your squad is a duplicate, duplicate squads for the same asset is not allowed, disband
2014-09-11 19:03:26: R performed by ' ***SAIKALY***': switch back to US plz game crashed
2014-09-11 19:06:14: PLAYERSWITCH performed by 'ADMIN WARNING': Wako Wako395 switched team (Not autobalance).
2014-09-11 19:06:31: PLAYERSWITCH performed by 'ADMIN WARNING': Stalinator switched team (Not autobalance).
2014-09-11 19:08:35: TB performed by ' Jevski' on ' cesar_iraq': Asset wasting, practice before using our assets banned by Jevski
2014-09-11 19:11:40: W performed by ' Jevski' on ' Dolphin23': DO NOT USE LOGI AS TRANS RETURN IT
2014-09-11 19:14:20: PLAYERSWITCH performed by 'ADMIN WARNING': Akol switched team (Not autobalance).
2014-09-11 19:19:47: RESIGN performed by ' Jevski' on ' Noobydude': locked sqd
2014-09-11 19:21:23: PLAYERSWITCH performed by 'ADMIN WARNING': [3dAC] MoulinKiller switched team (Not autobalance).
2014-09-11 19:21:41: RESIGN performed by ' Jevski' on ' iisolationist': locked sqd
2014-09-11 19:22:49: PLAYERSWITCH performed by 'ADMIN WARNING': [3dAC] MoulinKiller switched team (Not autobalance).
2014-09-11 19:23:46: R performed by '[3dAC] Nate.': Gulak multiple TKs on purpose
2014-09-11 19:24:07: TB performed by '=HOG= GUNNERFUKEDUUP' on ' Gulagnator': Stop teamkilling! banned by =HOG= GUNNERFUKEDUUP
2014-09-11 19:28:08: PLAYERSWITCH performed by 'ADMIN WARNING': Mobius0 switched team (Not autobalance).
2014-09-11 19:29:11: PLAYERSWITCH performed by 'ADMIN WARNING': Almeida switched team (Not autobalance).
2014-09-11 19:30:48: PLAYERSWITCH performed by 'ADMIN WARNING': ***SAIKALY*** switched team (Not autobalance).
2014-09-11 19:33:36: EARLY SQUAD performed by 'ADMIN WARNING': Noobydude created an early squad at 179.943898.
2014-09-11 19:33:48: EARLY SQUAD performed by 'ADMIN WARNING': KillerSunny12 created an early squad at 167.807755.
2014-09-11 19:33:49: EARLY SQUAD performed by 'ADMIN WARNING': KillerSunny12 created an early squad at 166.576667.
2014-09-11 19:33:50: EARLY SQUAD performed by 'ADMIN WARNING': KillerSunny12 created an early squad at 166.018697.
2014-09-11 19:33:50: RESTART performed by '=HOG= GUNNERFUKEDUUP':
2014-09-11 19:33:50: EARLY SQUAD performed by 'ADMIN WARNING': KillerSunny12 created an early squad at 239.760055.
2014-09-11 19:33:58: EARLY SQUAD performed by 'ADMIN WARNING': Snapcount created an early squad at 232.444251.
2014-09-11 19:34:12: PLAYERSWITCH performed by 'ADMIN WARNING': [3dAC] hotfranc switched team (Not autobalance).
2014-09-11 19:34:16: PLAYERSWITCH performed by 'ADMIN WARNING': [3dAC] MoulinKiller switched team (Not autobalance).
2014-09-11 19:34:35: PLAYERSWITCH performed by 'ADMIN WARNING': [3dAC] Nate. switched team (Not autobalance).
2014-09-11 19:35:47: R performed by ' Riot': switch back ins to US, it is our turn
2014-09-11 19:36:13: S performed by '<(00)> CarlosCastaneda': why are the teams no switching sides
2014-09-11 19:36:14: R performed by '=IRS= PokerFish': how come we are all opfpr again
2014-09-11 19:36:41: R performed by '[NEW] i-kill-you2[GER]': sqadbug
2014-09-11 19:37:26: S performed by ' Jevski': server restarting
2014-09-11 19:37:34: S performed by ' Jevski': server restarting
2014-09-11 19:37:48: STOPSERVER performed by ' Jevski': bug

[__Super_6__5__]

like jevski said, it looks as if it was bugged and never swapped anyone.

[Brainlaag]

2014-09-11 19:33:50: RESTART performed by '=HOG= GUNNERFUKEDUUP':

What about that? IIRC restart reboots the timer and swaps teams, so it's an indirect teamswitch command.

[__Super_6__5__]

then he did it thinking he was restarting the server. but i will check to make sure the admin wasnt intentionally trying to destroy your chance to play on opfor.

either way, the sequence of events were to correct a problem with the server, you WANT it to be a bad admin. submit a formal complaint on our website if you must

[Brainlaag]

i will have to speak up my doubts, when the server restarts the players are scrambled in no order, so its not valid as an forced teamswitch. Even admins would go through too much problem doing so just when they could force teams to unbalance.

It's not server restart but round restart. That command does not scramble teams, it just resets the game timer and swaps teams, basically a "runnext" on the same map.

[LiamBai]

As Brainlaag pointed out, the teams were actually swapped, but indirectly.
I hope you'll forgive my accusations, but at the time that is how it looked, especially since the console clearly showed the teams had been swapped by an admin command. Even Jevski commented on this at the time, as Nate said.

either way, the sequence of events were to correct a problem with the server, you WANT it to be a bad admin.

If the restart was to correct a problem with the server, I'd expect to have known about it at some point. None of the admins mentioned this at all, and as you can clearly see from the logs, many players(and at least one admin) were complaining and asking for an explanaton. Of course, there could still be a legitimate reason... But I called it exactly how it appeared to me. I don't have anything against your server, nor the vast majority of the admins.

[__Super_6__5__]

As Brainlaag pointed out, the teams were actually swapped, but indirectly.
I hope you'll forgive my accusations, but at the time that is how it looked, especially since the console clearly showed the teams had been swapped by an admin command. Even Jevski commented on this at the time, as Nate said.

If the restart was to correct a problem with the server, I'd expect to have known about it at some point. None of the admins mentioned this at all, and as you can clearly see from the logs, many players(and at least one admin) were complaining and asking for an explanaton. Of course, there could still be a legitimate reason... But I called it exactly how it appeared to me. I don't have anything against your server, nor the vast majority of the admins.

great, thank you. as i stated i will confirm the admins restart intentions and let you know via pm.

gnite.

[HeadlessChicken86]

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[__Super_6__5__]

pretty impressive they were able to get the entire team to do that. now thats teamwork!

we will look into it, its not a good thing to do but on the same note, not sure what we could do about it really. Keep in mind its not HOG, its pubbers doing it and the admins would have a difficult time preventing it.

[matty1053]

pretty impressive they were able to get the entire team to do that. now thats teamwork!

we will look into it, its not a good thing to do but on the same note, not sure what we could do about it really. Keep in mind its not HOG, its pubbers doing it and the admins would have a difficult time preventing it.

No kidding! You are lucky to get everyone to defend the cache!

But OT...
I had fun yesterday! Great round I was on!

[RAWSwampFox]

Hello guys,

I dont know how or why this is only happening on your server but everytime i play a map with Hamas faction on HOG people abuse the civi bug big time. Just happened on Asad Khal again, lots of people running around as civi so you cant shoot them since you will even be punished if you shotgun them and you dont get restrainers. A few days ago Gaza INS was running and the WHOLE HAMAS TEAM was one big group of civilians you couldnt kill. The round was played till the end tho with no actual chance for IDF to have a proper game at all. Its no fun tbh, you should do something about it.
Didnt know where to put this so i posted it here. I hope its fine.

See you soon, best wishes

Good Morning,

Well, this was probably me or people I have trained to play CIVI. Now, you call it a bug but it is not a bug, it is rules of engagement (ROE). In "Reality" you don't shoot an unarmed civilian. On Asad Kahl, you have the choice of running around without restrainers or you can choose the kit(s) that have them, purely your choice. You have 4 hours to play a round on most servers, if you play the round slowly, you don't have much trouble. I have seen many rounds where the game lasted a long long time but IDF was able to overcome because they had very aware squad leaders who trained their squads what to watch for.

-SwampFox

[_Fizzco_]

It's a bullshit tactic on AAS and you shouldn't be allowed to do it. end of.

INS its essentially the same as insurgents so its not such a big deal. But if you do it on AAS your a ****.

And it is a bug, the devs never intended it for use in AAS.

[Jevski]

I for one wouldnt mind civs on a AAS. I shot them, so what. Its not like we lose intel. Its only one guy less with a rifle.

[Jevski]

Frigging one of the best rounds in a long time. Was Sl of Apc sqd. We ended up with 110 kills and lost 3 apcs in all

Comms and situation awareness in the sqd was beyond believe. Rarely any tech got close enough to do damage.

Great communication with inf sqds, whom we supported and transported through the game.

Akoni Sl of an inf sqd ended the game with a score slightly above 15000 pts. I know points dont matter, but they are a testament to the high level of teamwork in the sqd. Same goes for SL pricelinenegotiater