VAB and BTR-60 feedback

[Jacksonez__]

- VAB 12.7 mm gun destroys BTR-60 in ~7 seconds (less if not overheat). It does not need to reload or wait for cooldown if you shoot in moderate bursts.

- BTR-60 14.5 mm gun destroys VAB VTT in ~12 seconds (70 rounds from 14.5 mm). It has to reload. Gun does not need cooling down.

12 seconds destroying time vs. 7 seconds destroying time. That's significant in my opinion. I think that VAB VTT has not been made to stand 14.5 mm armor piercing round fire for what, 70 rounds straight?

Could devs at least take a look at VAB VTT .50 caliber gun overheat time or mag size or BTR-60 reload time?
disclaimer: my clocking times may not be 100% accurate.

[ComradeHX]

VAB is relatively new; it just didn't get "balanced" yet.

[Barbrady]

I don't see a problem, VAB gunner has minimal zoom and is exposed. Overheat time seems fine to me too, think it's faster than on technicals.

[Jacksonez__]

I have lost many encounters to VAB in btr-60. It can pound the btr-60 even if we noticed it first. (7s. vs 12s destroy time). If you manage to destroy the VAB, BTR-60 will ve either VERY damaged or tracked.

14.5mm AP rounds are either broken or VAB VTT has unrealistic armor. VAB VTT is almost solely meant for transporting people, BTR-60 is meant to carry people and support them (why else it would have devastating 14.5mm AP gun lol) . You would think it is somewhat resistant to small arms fire and 12.7 mm.

Edit..:

BTR-60 48 rounds (if I didn't count it all wrong) / 12.7mm -> destroyed
VAB had to use around ~40% of its mag size

VAB VTT 70 rounds / 14.5mm -> destroyed
BTR had to use one full mag and 30 rounds (2/3 mag)


I am gonna upload a comparison video soon


Could devs give their input here?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3xRu56Z-aI


summarized, tl;dr: If BTR-60 meets VAB VTT in dark alley, VAB VTT wins the fight.

[Souls Of Mischief]

To be frank, all you need to do is shoot out the driver. That said, damage of the 14.5 should be increased.

[Jacksonez__]

It's funny how everyone thinks VAB is a "shitbox" meanwhile BTR-60 is the real shitbox. Needs some armor and gun upgrade, hopefully in 1.3. You don't even need skill to destroy BTR-60. Just aim anywhere in its hull and fire your gun.

[DonDOOM]

Thanks for reporting it, it's being looked into at the moment.

[K4on]

nice video report, thanks

[K4on]

fixed for next version, seems like VAB had wrong armor materials assigned.

[Barbrady]

It's funny how everyone thinks VAB is a "shitbox" meanwhile BTR-60 is the real shitbox. Needs some armor and gun upgrade, hopefully in 1.3. You don't even need skill to destroy BTR-60. Just aim anywhere in its hull and fire your gun.

BTR's armor is just made to withstand 7.62mm, same with the VAB. More likely VAB needs a downgrade.

on the english wikipedia it says

for BTR-60:

The armour on the hull is made out of welded steel and provides protection against small arms fire and shrapnel.The frontal armour can withstand 7.62 mm bullets from any range. The rest of the armour can withstand 7.62 mm bullets from a range of 100 m.

The BTR-60P did not have a roof over the troop compartment, which made a weakness that could easily be exploited - even the simplest explosives could take out a BTR-60P. The new BTR design with a roof was called the BTR-60PA.

VAB:

The armour upgrade of the VAB aimed at increasing from protection against light infantry weapons to protection against heavy machine guns, typically 12.7 mm projectiles. This increased the weight of the vehicles by about two tonnes, thereby losing its amphibious capabilities.

The amphibious shape of the hull, the relatively light weight and the armour upgrade seem to give the VAB strong resistance against mines. When exposed to an explosion from below, the VAB tends to be lifted in the air, allowing the force of the blast to disperse away from the vehicle. In particular, the hull shape and position of the wheels deflects the shock wave, helping maintain hull integrity.

But I guess ingame it is not a version with upgraded armor since it can swim?

[Jacksonez__]

BTR's armor is just made to withstand 7.62mm, same with the VAB. More likely VAB needs a downgrade.

on the english wikipedia it says

for BTR-60:

The armour on the hull is made out of welded steel and provides protection against small arms fire and shrapnel.The frontal armour can withstand 7.62 mm bullets from any range. The rest of the armour can withstand 7.62 mm bullets from a range of 100 m.

The BTR-60P did not have a roof over the troop compartment, which made a weakness that could easily be exploited - even the simplest explosives could take out a BTR-60P. The new BTR design with a roof was called the BTR-60PA.

VAB:

The armour upgrade of the VAB aimed at increasing from protection against light infantry weapons to protection against heavy machine guns, typically 12.7 mm projectiles. This increased the weight of the vehicles by about two tonnes, thereby losing its amphibious capabilities.

The amphibious shape of the hull, the relatively light weight and the armour upgrade seem to give the VAB strong resistance against mines. When exposed to an explosion from below, the VAB tends to be lifted in the air, allowing the force of the blast to disperse away from the vehicle. In particular, the hull shape and position of the wheels deflects the shock wave, helping maintain hull integrity.

But I guess ingame it is not a version with upgraded armor since it can swim?

I don't really understand the ex-USSR guys Equip poorly armored vehicle with large caliber gun But, MEC is, well fictional army yet conventional army, but you would think that they use some modernized version of the BTR-60.

The amphibious shape of the hull, the relatively light weight and the armour upgrade seem to give the VAB strong resistance against mines.

I also tested that. One landmine will destroy VAB VTT even if hit by tire (if it matters). VAB VTT should be tracked or at least survive a landmine hit.

[ComradeHX]

I don't really understand the ex-USSR guys Equip poorly armored vehicle with large caliber gun But, MEC is, well fictional army yet conventional army, but you would think that they use some modernized version of the BTR-60.

APC designed for conventional warfare tends to be relatively poorly-armoured in general.

Want armour? Drive tank. APC needs to be able to carry people, carry a big machinegun, and have enough speed(the important part) to keep up with tanks.