Operation Marlin - INS

[Nightingale]

I think it's too hard for the French team to destroy all the caches on this map.

Reasons:

It's very easy for the Insurgents to lay minefields all over the roads that lead in and out of the French mainbase. Unlike Karbala or Basrah, the BluFor vehicles have to drive on the roads; there are no open sand/dirt areas to drive onto.

Only a select few of the French infantry classes get the civilian restrainers.

It's very very easy for the Insurgents to hide their mortar operations in the sunflower fields (and they don't even need crates or the ammo techie when they can constantly build/rebuild). Although, I don't know if the UAV is able or unable to spot them.

The map itself has a lot of enterable buildings and confined spaces. Compared to other maps (like Karbala), Marlin has a lot more hiding places for the Insurgents to ambush from.

The Insurgents have access to a lot of cars, technicals, and SPG-technicals. These vehicles can survive a lot longer in a crowded city map like Marlin.



What do you guys think? Is it too hard for the French team? Or is the map actually balanced? If it's imbalanced, how should it be balanced?

[tankninja1]

The Chinook (I think this is the only helicopter available to the French on this map) is very unideal for infantry insertion/extraction, being huge slow and cumbersome.

Slow? It is the fastest helicopter next to the Lynx and the Osprey.

[Rabbit]

I thought the ins layer had the NH90

[Nightingale]

I think my memories got mixed up with the AAS version... I'm not really familiar with all the different vehicles in the game since I'm mostly an infantry player. I always see the French helicopters dying like flies whenever Marlin INS is being played. ops: I'll take that point out of the OP.

But do you guys think Marlin INS is too hard for the French?

[fatalsushi83]

I don't remember the last time I saw the French win on this map. Like you said, they get chewed up in that confined urban environment. Not sure how it could be balanced, though, other than changing some of the cache locations.

[rPoXoTauJIo]

Lol, people become so noobish on ins that they can't even win...
MEinsurgents already most bullshit faction to play and Marlin is one of the maps where they actually can do something at least.

[_Fizzco_]

Never thought i'd see a friend where ins need to be nerfed xD

[Chuva_RD]

But do you guys think Marlin INS is too hard for the French?

I think DEVs should nerf MEinsurgents to the absolute disabitily and buff blufor factions to maximum: maybe then problems of INS mode (and Marlin INS particularly) disappear. Now to play INS mode you should use keyboard while 1 key enough for funny gameplay. How you think, Nightingale, it it right direction to buff blufor at this time?

[Nightingale]

I play as the Insurgent team basically every chance I get. I don't really enjoy being BluFor very much. I think the balance is good on maps like Karbala and Fallujah. It's not that hard to defend a cache with shitty weapons as long as you stay inside the buildings and don't wander around trying to get 200m+ kills with a AKS-74U. And then we also get infinite tickets, and small easy hideouts without needing crates. A lot of people think that being the OpFor means dying 20 times with 1 kill, but I don't think it's as bad as they say. I think the Insurgents win more than 50% of the games I have played in.

But most of the times I play as INS on Marlin, it's too easy to win, so it gets boring. That's why I think the French should be buffed on this map.

[fatalsushi83]

I think the easiest solution would be to move some of the cache locations to areas that are more difficult to defend, like the edges of the city, or just one or two blocks from the edges. I don't think changing the French faction is going to help them much unless you give them tanks or an attack chopper or something like that.

[Wyrdstone]

Dear god the French need restraints. Just played a failure of a round where the civvies ran amok because we only had the breacher to rely on arresting them. The manual says you can use the knife but we just got punished for it.

I had to let a civy punch me to death on a roof because it was better to let him kill me than for me to shoot him.

[Nightingale]

Don't know if it was right to post it in this thread since this is more of a suggestion than actual feedback...

I think another major reason that it is so difficult for the French to succeed on this map is because there are no "open routes" leading from the French mainbase to the battle zone. It's all narrow roads that restrict vehicles to a select few routes to exit the mainbase. It's very very easy for the insurgents to lay landmines on every single exit leading out of the French mainbase. In addition, the INS spawns in the center of the map with easy access to vehicles everywhere on the map.

Maybe if it was rearranged like the image above the game balance would be improved. It would give the French more breathing space for their APCs and IFVs but they would still have to be careful about the civilians.

Although more than anything, the French need restrainers for every kit on this map.

[RunsWithBears]

The main reason the French fail is because urban warfare is hard and most of PR's population does not understand the workings of urban warfare. It's basically the most volatile kind of battlefield and requires coordination and teamwork on both squad level and command level.

[Anderson29]

Don't know if it was right to post it in this thread since this is more of a suggestion than actual feedback...

I think another major reason that it is so difficult for the French to succeed on this map is because there are no "open routes" leading from the French mainbase to the battle zone. It's all narrow roads that restrict vehicles to a select few routes to exit the mainbase. It's very very easy for the insurgents to lay landmines on every single exit leading out of the French mainbase. In addition, the INS spawns in the center of the map with easy access to vehicles everywhere on the map.

Maybe if it was rearranged like the image above the game balance would be improved. It would give the French more breathing space for their APCs and IFVs but they would still have to be careful about the civilians.

Although more than anything, the French need restrainers for every kit on this map.

that is an awesome suggestion. all it would take would be moving the vehicle spawns, repair station and the commander tent.

though i would have no problem with insurgents keeping their spawn in the center of the city. i think it would be too easy to camp their main if it was over in the west like in ur picture.

[ComradeHX]

It used to be decent because Insurgents could mine up roads.

Now there should be next to no problem for the French now that IED is bugged(mines and VOIED disappear when kit placed them with disappears).

[Nightingale]

IED is bugged(mines and VOIED disappear when kit placed them with disappears).

Is this still true in v1.3.1.0?

[Rabbit]

Is this still true in v1.3.1.0?

https://www.realitymod.com/forum/f604-p ... ost2079851

[tankninja1]

A lot of cashes still seem to spawn in the relative open, where apcs have good line of sight to spam HE rounds in.

[viirusiiseli]

A lot of cashes still seem to spawn in the relative open, where apcs have good line of sight to spam HE rounds in.

This is a problem with literally every insurgent map ever.

[Nightingale]

Yeah, I don't think "open caches" are really that much of a problem on this map.

Especially when it's so easy for the INS team to go civilian and punish the APC for shooting at the cache.