small helicopters - fast and nimble

TerribleOne · Post by **TerribleOne** » 2005-07-04 20:56

i was browsing the net and came acrosHughes OH-6A Cayuse Scout
helicopter. you think it would be cool to have one of these to nip around in with mabe a passenger like a sniper? you could quickly capture flags and stop on places others couldent really get too fast.

m0ldym1lk · Post by **m0ldym1lk** » 2005-07-04 21:16

If I'm not mistaken, small helicopters aren't all that fast because their rotors are really small. An Mi-24 would smoke an AH-6 in terms of speed (as well as total firepower and so on, but that's not what this is about), for example, because it's engines and rotors are massive compared to that of the Littlebird. Correct me if I'm wrong though.

Tactical Advantage · Post by **Tactical Advantage** » 2005-07-04 21:18

I definitly agree, I thought about this last night, after watching a special on Black Hawk down, werent they used by Delta in the movie, but either way, they would be nice to have, having this would be sweet, espically for a fast and quick insertion by a squad. Good idea man

TaZ · Post by **TaZ** » 2005-07-04 21:21

Just make them more flyable than bfv please. Those were horrible

Tactical Advantage · Post by **Tactical Advantage** » 2005-07-04 21:23

Ahh, here we go

AH / MH-6J "Little Bird"

Actually, this might do the job...

http://realitymod.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=610

Eddie Baker · Post by **Eddie Baker** » 2005-07-04 21:32

m0ldym1lk wrote:An Mi-24 would smoke an AH-6 in terms of speed (as well as total firepower and so on, but that's not what this is about), for example, because it's engines and rotors are massive compared to that of the Littlebird. Correct me if I'm wrong though.

That is correct. The H-6J/M is one of the slowest helicopters in the US inventory (130 knots, according to Jane's); the fastest is actually the H-53, which is also the biggest. However, the H-6J/M is extremely maneuverable, and its size permits it to land in places where the bigger helos cannot.

For example, an MH-6 was used to land and extract the Delta team that rescued Kurt Muse from the Modelo Prison in Panama. It was brought down and crash-landed in a nearby intersection, but all aboard survived (including the Delta operator who was hit with the rotor blade) and were extracted by ground vehicles.

Tactical Advantage · Post by **Tactical Advantage** » 2005-07-04 21:50

On thing I do like, but at times can also be a problem, is that the passnegers at times are located on the sides exposed to eney fire, but it does allow all squad members to fire openly at the enemy with their choice of weapon, overall I think PR should include these, since they seem to work nicely in real life, im sure we can find a good use for then in PR.

Eddie Baker · Post by **Eddie Baker** » 2005-07-05 00:44

Tactical Advantage wrote:Actually, this might do the job...

http://realitymod.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=610

The OH-58D is capable of carrying passengers in the rear compartment in some configurations (though this is uncommon), but will only be used in the scout/light attack role in PR. The rear doors will be replaced with windowless panels.

There are other types of light helicopter in use around the world that may make an appearance also. For example, the Gazelle is in use by the UK, widely used in the Middle East, and China has a small squadron of them. The BO-105 (in use by the German Army as the PAH-1) is another wisely used airframe. Like the H-6/MD500 series, they are both very agile aircraft and used often in film and television camera and stuntwork.

TerribleOne · Post by **TerribleOne** » 2005-07-05 12:03

i think that one is too big :/. by fast i never meant speed but as said above agile.
i als othink it would be really good to have soldiers sat on the outside seats because this heli is weakl anyway so it couldent take much fire and the idea is its not meant to be seen much i think?

Post by **Wolfmaster** » 2005-07-05 12:29

i guess the role of this chopper is get in without being seen, drop off the soldiers and get out without being seen?

waffenbaum · Post by **waffenbaum** » 2005-07-05 16:16

I always liked the littlebird. Speed and agility in one nimble package. Not to mention the kickass miniguns. Plus, aren't it's engines so small that they are very hard to hit with heat-seeking missiles?

Super62 · Post by **Super62** » 2005-07-05 20:52

waffenbaum wrote:I always liked the littlebird. Speed and agility in one nimble package. Not to mention the kickass miniguns. Plus, aren't it's engines so small that they are very hard to hit with heat-seeking missiles?

Speed? Fast? 165 MPH, 130 knots? There maniuravble but not fast. Turbine engines all generate lots of heat no matter how big they are unless it has exhaust suppressors which the Littlebird doesn't. I would say a Little Bird would be a easy target for a stinger or a LAV. The littlebird should be used in urban special operation infantry maps, not over used like in DC. The slow speed is actually an advantage in urban maps since you won't have to worry about crashing into things like you do with the other ones in BF2.

waffenbaum · Post by **waffenbaum** » 2005-07-05 21:33

Then again, they are a ***** to hit with an normal RPG launcher I'd imagine.

Post by **BrokenArrow** » 2005-07-05 22:16

well smaller is usually hard to hit... add that to the littlebirds manouverability and youve gotyourself a nice quick in quicik out assault chopper that can also double as a gunship.

Tactical Advantage · Post by **Tactical Advantage** » 2005-07-05 23:29

I'm all for the little bird in PR, one thing I always attempt to do in BF2 as a chopper pilot, is to fly the BlackHawk as low as possible, many times below 15 ft, reason being, that even though you are close to your enemy, you're giving your mini gunners an excellent shot if an enemy pops his head up, also, you're going to be much more noticable and an easier target at a higher alltitude, firing a heat seeking missile at a low flying chopper is almost like firing an RPG, because the SAM needs time to adjust, and when your flying at 300 ft up, that same is gonna have a greater chance to adjust and hit you, when flying low and fast, a SAM will have to be used like an RPG, the person on the SAM will need to lead your chopper hit you, and it sounds easier than it is, ever wounder why many Special Forces fly low and fast, it's all anout avoiding detection visually, flying low also allows you the ability to land quickly and unload you passnegers. I can only imagine how sweet a little bird would be, even though the are slow, and lightly armored, in urban sceniros, being capable to fly inbetween buildings and landing in small areas(roof tops, etc) Could be a huge advantage. Now combined with Fast Roping *cough* please*cough* We could have quite an effective vehicle here.

Beckwith · Post by **Beckwith** » 2005-07-05 23:59

there def is a need for the littleturd its awsome to fly and can be very very useful

Super62 · Post by **Super62** » 2005-07-06 00:26

Tactical Advantage wrote:I'm all for the little bird in PR, one thing I always attempt to do in BF2 as a chopper pilot, is to fly the BlackHawk as low as possible, many times below 15 ft, reason being, that even though you are close to your enemy, you're giving your mini gunners an excellent shot if an enemy pops his head up, also, you're going to be much more noticable and an easier target at a higher alltitude, firing a heat seeking missile at a low flying chopper is almost like firing an RPG, because the SAM needs time to adjust, and when your flying at 300 ft up, that same is gonna have a greater chance to adjust and hit you, when flying low and fast, a SAM will have to be used like an RPG, the person on the SAM will need to lead your chopper hit you, and it sounds easier than it is, ever wounder why many Special Forces fly low and fast, it's all anout avoiding detection visually, flying low also allows you the ability to land quickly and unload you passnegers. I can only imagine how sweet a little bird would be, even though the are slow, and lightly armored, in urban sceniros, being capable to fly inbetween buildings and landing in small areas(roof tops, etc) Could be a huge advantage. Now combined with Fast Roping *cough* please*cough* We could have quite an effective vehicle here.

fast roping would be fun

Tactical Advantage · Post by **Tactical Advantage** » 2005-07-06 22:02

That it would be, and sure pilots and squads can find a good use for it to, like fastroping into small areas, into dense forest where the chopper cant land or get low enough to have the passengers jump safetly...