Kiowa Nerf

[viirusiiseli]

Indeed they are. Especially after all those hours of frustrating rounds where you would get spammed with missiles and bombs. Even AA emplacements were useless. I didn't even bother building them as an SL because they were an utter waste of shoveling. Now the AA is feared as it should be.

Dreams of 80/0 KD, Viirus?

[Steeps]

This topic is silly. I just saw a Kiowa on Kokan go about 65-0 yesterday.

[Jacksonez__]

This topic is silly. I just saw a Kiowa on Kokan go about 65-0 yesterday.

exactly: if you got good CAS team (spotter+squadleader) and you are a good pilot, you will rek the enemy team.

Solo CAS Kiowa might be another thing then. No spotter or proper squad leading, get shot down son.

[KillJoy[Fr]]

exactly: if you got good CAS team (spotter+squadleader) and you are a good pilot, you will rek the enemy team.

Solo CAS Kiowa might be another thing then. No spotter or proper squad leading, get shot down son.

Kiowa is a low flying helicopter, most of the time target are spotted by the pilot. The role of the spotter is very limited since the camera is mounted on the mat and things are hard to laze.

[Jacksonez__]

;2083258']Kiowa is a low flying helicopter, most of the time target are spotted by the pilot. The role of the spotter is very limited since the camera is mounted on the mat and things are hard to laze.

I kinda meant ground-recon/spotter team that will help you to locate targets and lase AA and stuff. And about low flying, most times on Kokan the Kiowa is flying higher than the view distance is..

[Spook]

Kiowa can dive without issues, dont do 90 deg dives, because then the upside down check kicks in, 80 deg is just as fine and you can recover without problems. Dont see any problems.

Mineral the upside down check was introduced to all choppers afaik.

[Nate.]

/thread

[dysin]

happened to me too ffg
all 5 stages of grief in just under 30 seconds

denial- wtf is wrong with this bird
anger- i hate pr sometime dude
bargaining- i can save this. open throttle, level her out.
depression- i can't save this.
acceptance- there will be more kiowas. plenty of fish in the ocean

[Spook]

@Nate: Well wasnt really diving on that round, cause there was no need for it. Only had 2 AA locks throughout the whole round and both time it was an insta-kill, but otherwise ARF didnt really try...therefore the title "relaxing". But nevertheless diving is still super easy and effective with Kiowa. Together with the LB probably the best heli for straight dives still.

[fatalsushi83]

This topic is silly. I just saw a Kiowa on Kokan go about 65-0 yesterday.

I hope this is only because no one was using the portable AA properly. Or is there still a balance issue with CAS being overpowered?

[viirusiiseli]

I hope this is only because no one was using the portable AA properly. Or is there still a balance issue with CAS being overpowered?

If you get even over 30 in a quick time or 50+ in a round with kiowa it means there is either no one trying to AA you or bad players took all the AA kits. Kiowa is super weak and as long as you get a couple of shots on it with AA it'll come down fast.

Too many people mistake lack of trying for assets being overpowered. The means are often provided in PR sufficiently for killing assets, most times if they do not work it's the effort that is lacking.

[ComradeHX]

as long as you get a couple of shots on it with AA it'll come down fast.

Good thing handheld AA only fires one shot per reload, eh?

[Jacksonez__]

Good thing handheld AA only fires one shot per reload, eh?

Doesn't even need one hit from manpad to bring it down, like approximite hit on flare and the Kiowa is burning and sure crashes. Just lead your sight a bit and fire, the AA will go straight and detonate approximately. Sometimes no-locking works better than locking on. Get ammo techie and become AA on wheels. Git gud with AA if one shot is not enough?

I got two hits with ZU-23-2 to Kiowa in Ramiel, and the kiowa caught burning and crashed. You need a few good hits with .50 cal machine gun, and you can kill the pilot. Not so rare to see someone RPG the Kiowa or shoot the pilot out with PKM or something.

[viirusiiseli]

Good thing handheld AA only fires one shot per reload, eh?

You're ridiculous. You don't even realize I meant that if you get to fire at the kiowa at a couple of different occasions it will most likely die. I did not mean that you shoot at it with 2 rounds.

Assuming this is of course not some really weak trolling attempt. Either way it doesn't exactly make you look smart.

[Archosaurus]

Kiowa is fine. I don't understand what the problem is if you can only get 20 kills max in a round vs 50. That's still 20 kills for ONE PERSON.

The mere fact that a CAS chopper is circling above makes an infantry squad more careful about where they are going to move. It's not all about kills.

[fatalsushi83]

If you get even over 30 in a quick time or 50+ in a round with kiowa it means there is either no one trying to AA you or bad players took all the AA kits. Kiowa is super weak and as long as you get a couple of shots on it with AA it'll come down fast.

Too many people mistake lack of trying for assets being overpowered. The means are often provided in PR sufficiently for killing assets, most times if they do not work it's the effort that is lacking.

Last time I played on Kokan I was defending a cache with the primary AA kit (SA-7, is it?). I took out the Kiowa two times and it didn't seem very difficult at all but I want to know if it's because the pilot sucked.

Basically, both times he dived in towards the cache, where I was. I got the lock as he was diving in and fired after 1-2 seconds, hitting him straight on. Even after I got the lock, he continued to dive in towards my position, trying to kill me with the rockets. Was it a mistake to keep on diving in even after the lock? Would changing direction and popping flares have saved him?

Also, I managed to take out a hummer and troop transport with the AA. I seems nearly as effective as the RPG, which was a surprise. Anyone know if it works against infantry as well?

[viirusiiseli]

Basically, both times he dived in towards the cache, where I was. I got the lock as he was diving in and fired after 1-2 seconds, hitting him straight on. Even after I got the lock, he continued to dive in towards my position, trying to kill me with the rockets. Was it a mistake to keep on diving in even after the lock? Would changing direction and popping flares have saved him?

Most likely yes.

[PatrickLA_CA]

Yes, AAs are very effective against infantry.

[Spook]

There is no way to survive an AA launch if you are diving directly onto the launch site with any chopper. Only thing that might save you is the altitude. If you are not too close to the ground yet, you might be able to turn away in time and with some luck the missile might pass you. But in most cases it explodes in your flares and critically damages you.

[B2P1]

What about bringing the asset timer of some cas helicopters back to 15 min?