Useless team.

[ron366]

Hey , i'm Ron ( Runner ingame ).
There's something that really makes me upset and it's the fact that it's been few months that most of the matches I play in INS ( I play INS 90% of the time ) the blufor does NOTHING and just camp on roofs and look for enemies even tho there's 2 known caches on the map , when I go Commander and talk with the Squad Leaders and APC's there's no response or they're just saying whatever and keep doing nothing..
I just ragequitted because I was talking to the air and the squad leaders were not doing anything , I told the APC to stop looking for meaningless kills on the other side of the map and go help the infantry take down the cache and he just ignored me , What's up with this community ? I think some people forgot the point of this game , and it's teamwork.

[Nugiman]

Indeed, teamwork decreased a bit with the standalone-release.
But most of the rounds I play still have excellent teamwork.

If you are in a team with no one talking and teamworking, just change server. There are plenty of good rounds out there! Don't let your game be messed up by a bad round on a server without administration Just connect to another server!

[ron366]

Indeed, teamwork decreased a bit with the standalone-release.
But most of the rounds I play still have excellent teamwork.

If you are in a team with no one talking and teamworking, just change server. There are plenty of good rounds out there! Don't let your game be messed up by a bad round on a server without administration Just connect to another server!

The problem is most servers play AAS most of the time , sometimes it's the only server running INS so I have no other choice ..

[matty1053]

Welcome to PR Insurgency! It's always been like this since 1.0. And, report to admins... if they don't listen report it to the servers website. No communication is against the rules on most servers. Insurgency is a hell fest majority of the time. Just look on PR spy, majority of the time on servers running insurgency the blufor has like 150kills all the time.

[Megagoth1702]

If a server is full, wait a bit. Use the auto-deploy/autojoin function (server info, auto deploy) or click-spam until there is an open spot.

Switching team/server helps if you're in a shit situation. And I personally stick to AAS because insurgency tends to be a bit more chaotic, unorganized and I prefer symmetrical warfare.

[ron366]

I have no idea what you are talking about.

Every time I'm in an INS squad, weather people are talking or not, we are mostly working together and getting things done.

Your post should read more like this...


Everyone in PR noob or vet has the power to lead their own squad and do what they want.

Being the commander does not give you the right to order every player around. Its more like a Forward Air Controller role.

Your "order" is up to the discretion of the Squad Leader based on what he wants to do, or is seeing in person.

You need to communicate as such.

Its better to Squad lead and coordinate efforts through talking on mumble to other squads, and redirect your efforts elsewhere, to get done what is not getting done, and use commander role for implementing assets.

You just bring facts from nowhere and you have no idea what you're talking about , i'm playing PR for more than 2 years now , as a Commander i'm not giving orders like a control freak , I talk in a nice tone and talking with the Squad Leaders to figure out the best way to win the map , I give them info about enemy activity from what I see in the UAV and tell them from where and how is the best way to get the objective , it's teamwork and not soldier - commander method ..
And as for not taking the Squad Leader role , some poeple having problems understanding my english because it's not so good , and it makes it really dificult to control the squad that way, but even with that if there's no other option I make my own squad.
You took this thread in a completely different way than what it meant to be , I was talking about the lack of teamwork in INS mode and many poeple agree with me above ^^

[matty1053]

Maybe I play on better servers than you?

He probably plays on NA servers.... since NA servers have a hardon for insurgency and majority of the time on Insurgency modes in NA servers... players **** around with eachother and it's a kill farm for blufor.

There is a HUGE difference in Insurgency on NA servers vs EU servers. EU servers have much more teamwork and it's usually balanced.

The main suggestion I have for him...

1. Prevent your self from playing on Insurgency game mode


OR


2. Prevent from playing on north American servers on insurgency.

[Bluedrake42]

Yeah idk what everyone keeps talking about with less teamwork since standalone or whatever, I've been playing this game for like... 8 years now or something obscene and it feels the same (if not way better) than it ever has.

Bad matches happen... if you want more consistent good teamwork maybe you should join a community or something. I personally recommend joining one of PRTA's sub-communities, until then you're just going to be a leaf in the wind.

[ron366]

I play on all servers , mainly on EU servers cuz of the ping , the "bad matches " are not on a specific server , I wouldn't complain about bad games that happen once in a while , I made this post because of a constant lack of teamwork on INS in the last few months.

[matty1053]

I play on all servers , mainly on EU servers cuz of the ping , the "bad matches " are not on a specific server , I wouldn't complain about bad games that happen once in a while , I made this post because of a constant lack of teamwork on INS in the last few months.

Insurgency has always been that way... Out of the hundreds of rounds of INS I have played... I estimate that a quarter of them have been rounds that contained decent teamwork.


It's always blufor just sit and kill no matter what. Rarely do people attack with strategy in INS. It's the easiest gamemode PR has to offer which is why it's more 'popular' in NA servers. Everyone that loves and has a hardon for INS knows where the caches' usually spawn, or at least the general area. As well as a lot just play INS to kill because they are absolutely terrible in Combat in the AAS gamemode.

Just look on PR Spy... you majority of the time see the blufor steamrolling the insurgents kill wise. That is the issue you ran into... players that don't have skill to take objectives just sit back and kill. Since apparently that is what this game is about.

Just try not to play insurgency much then... eventually 1 in 20 rounds you will have a excellent teamwork round. 4 in 20 will have decent teamwork. And 5 in 20 will have only one squad teamworking.

It's a unfortunate thing in PR that you have players that only play insurgency to kill. Then they claim: "Oh, I'm a badass player in PR... my k/d is EPIC!!". But they don't tell you it's only on insurgency mode!

Personally I tend to refrain from going on Insurgency maps.... unless the team I am playing with has some friends on it or a good team from the last round. And you will now know why a lot of people don't like insurgency since it requires no skill on the blufor side. To be a insurgent it's requirements are high.

But I agree it does get VERY boring as hell if you have a blufor team trying to kill and not attack. You see that always on NA servers, since the admins on certain servers tend to play maps for their butt buddy clans'.

[Jedimushroom]

I would hesitate to say that this is exclusively a problem for the insurgency gamemode, but in my experience that is a major factor. Squad leaders not responding or doing anything is unfortunately always a problem, and with the standalone we have a greater number of new players becoming squad leaders when they aren't really comfortable with the role (or indeed with the game).

Perhaps try to lead a squad yourself? Maybe you can be the change you want to see in the world?

Of course, if I was feeling uncharitable I would just say that insurgency is just coop with humans as the bots...

[matty1053]

Perhaps try to lead a squad yourself? Maybe you can be the change you want to see in the world?

Agreed! One player can make a huge difference. One man can change the world... then easily one man can change the round.

Flank the **** out of the enemies.... that's all you gotta do. And on heavy vegetation maps (Like Saareema). Hide in the bushes to cap! The thermals can't see you.

[AnA10Warthog]

He probably plays on NA servers.... since NA servers have a hardon for insurgency and majority of the time on Insurgency modes in NA servers... players **** around with eachother and it's a kill farm for blufor.

There is a HUGE difference in Insurgency on NA servers vs EU servers. EU servers have much more teamwork and it's usually balanced.

The main suggestion I have for him...

1. Prevent your self from playing on Insurgency game mode


OR


2. Prevent from playing on north American servers on insurgency.

In my experience EU players tend to communicate with each other less, so I have to disagree with your assertion, and yes, I have played and squad lead on many EU servers.

[fatalsushi83]

Ron, if you're hardcore about teamwork, you really should get into AAS more. People tend to take it more seriously and it's just much more interesting in terms of strategy and coordination between squads.

[PLODDITHANLEY]

I have all but stopped playing insurgency for much the same reasons.

[Pronck]

People whine about insurgency all the time, but I can say you about 2/3 of the whiners are the actual reason the gamemode isn't played as it should be. They often go "fully" retard and refuse to work together and take things serious in this game mode.

You have three choices.

One: force teamwork upon others by commanding/leading a squad.
Two: play it, man up, deal with it and pray for others to do choice number one.
Three: complain, refuse to play it and if you play, refuse to communicate and change from your standard AAS tactics.

The insurgency game mode requires MORE teamwork and communications in order to bridge the gap between the types of equipment you got. For some reason, when you give a PR player a 1337 weapon and scope they tend to do some teamwork, give them a rusty but more powerful AK, they will shout random stuff and blow up their own mainbase.

Of course it has his flaws, but so does AAS. AAS all bloody week is also boring as F.

[mat552]

The insurgency game mode requires MORE teamwork and communications in order to bridge the gap between the types of equipment you got.

If if required more teamwork, more teamwork would be displayed. Since it is not and teams still win without it, it does not require more teamwork. QED.