Dear veterans, quitchyerbitchun about newb SLs

[PolishKruk]

They are still players that want to play the game. Newer players are more likely to not use a mic at first.

Remember, the holy text that is the PR manual everyone loves to quote was not necessarily read by that person yet so they may not even know the keybinds for mumble. Everyone deserves a chance to play. At least give them a chance to prove they are a fuckup instead of assuming they are one from the get go.

[matty1053]

Hey Wing Walker... how long have you played PR? Out of curiosity.

PR is meant for communicating. Wonder why admins kick mic less players constantly....

How to team sports work? You have to communicate with each other to win.

Playing PR without a mic is like being a soldier on the front lines without a gun. You'll lose.

Get a cheap mic. It's not hard. You can get a headset for $20.

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[CR8Z]

I've been playing PR for more than 8 years.

<------- Active on these forums since August, 2008.

I have played with GREAT players that did not have a mic. They were a HUGE asset to my squad. There are MANY reasons a player with great value may not have a mic. It is ABSURD to disregard a player that has no mic. You may as well kick every player that does not agree with you. Same logic.

The key word most of you mention is COMMUNICATION. If a squad member does not communicate, either via MIC or TEXT, then I will kick them. However, you may find that people DO have a mic, but they CANNOT speak because of various circumstances, such as roommates, wives, girlfriends, babies, etc.

Perhaps someone had their jaw reconstructed for some reason, and has trouble talking... That has no bearing on their ability to play a video game.

Whats more, you may work with somebody that does not have a mic and show them the value that a mic offers, as well as a decent headset. Then you can bring them into the fold.

In my opinion, an outright disregard for people for any reason is ridiculous and short-sighted, and you should all be ashamed.

[matty1053]

I've been playing PR for more than 8 years.

<------- Active on these forums since August, 2008.

I have played with GREAT players that did not have a mic. They were a HUGE asset to my squad. There are MANY reasons a player with great value may not have a mic. It is ABSURD to disregard a player that has no mic. You may as well kick every player that does not agree with you. Same logic.

The key word most of you mention is COMMUNICATION. If a squad member does not communicate, either via MIC or TEXT, then I will kick them. However, you may find that people DO have a mic, but they CANNOT speak because of various circumstances, such as roommates, wives, girlfriends, babies, etc.

Perhaps someone had their jaw reconstructed for some reason, and has trouble talking... That has no bearing on their ability to play a video game.

Whats more, you may work with somebody that does not have a mic and show them the value that a mic offers, as well as a decent headset. Then you can bring them into the fold.

In my opinion, an outright disregard for people for any reason is ridiculous and short-sighted, and you should all be ashamed.

Why should we be ashamed? If you don't have a mic you can't communicate effectively. PR IS meant for communication and teamwork. If you can't communicate effectively you will have zero teamwork. I'm sure that's why majority of us play PR... to have good solid teamwork. And not being mic less rats running around.

I can't stand having mic less players in my asset squads I run. Especially my tank squad. But I mainly run MUMBLE INF squads and I do not tolerate any mic less players unless the server population is under 80. I had a mic less medic before... he was running in circles to find the guy that needs a revive or heal. And what about having a mic less squad leader? They are very worthless. You'd have more teamwork with Hellen Keller as your squad leader.

Mumble was created for a reason. The devs even made it all automatic so you require zero effort to use it. All you gotta do is press some buttons to speak... as well as have a mic. If you can afford to have a PC and Internet... you for sure can afford to buy a mic. Or even get a Webcam with built in mic. Just sucks with echo at some points.

So you'd think it would be ok to have a team of mic less players... ok.


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[matty1053]

Forgot to add... and I don't have a issue with people having to not talk for reasons as you listed.

But apperently every mic less person has that excuse according to you.

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[PolishKruk]

Whats more, you may work with somebody that does not have a mic and show them the value that a mic offers, as well as a decent headset. Then you can bring them into the fold.

In my opinion, an outright disregard for people for any reason is ridiculous and short-sighted, and you should all be ashamed.

This x1000. It's starting to become real clear why the NA community of PR can't fill four servers during primetime.

Assume that a player w/o a mic = a new player. So every SL is kicking this guy from his squad. Then he goes and makes his own squad so he doesn't get kicked by the server. Then people yell at him for not having a mic and having no idea WTF he is doing. Within fifteen minutes this guy's opinion has dropped to absolute shit because you are afraid that having a micless newb is going to keep you from making top squad. Are you for fucking real? It's a goddamn game!

NUMBER ONE RULE FOR SL SHOULD READ: 1. Your squad's enjoyment of the round is paramount to your own.

That's why we play SL, to have fun and make sure the guys running with us have even more. Everyone should have that chance. The more they see the more impetus they have to get a mic and join in.

[SkyEmperor]

Yes,you're right, it's a game. Ofc, all we want is having fun. But seriously, I mean, PR is a fcking epic game when people communicate, sometimes you feel like "Oh god this is WWIII" and you enjoy it, because you call contacts, because you do your best to help your squad and keep it alive.

Sure you can play without a mic,but will it be awesome as playing with mic? I don't think so
Can you call contacts? Can you report clearly, what you hear,what you see,can you make suggestions and all that stuff? No. This game was made for people who like teamwork,who don't want to run,kill,die,respawn, but have a synergy with their mates,servers have rules to keep it serious and playable,but you can make all rules you want,if people don't communicate effectively, then it's useless. Guess what's the best way to communicate,ORAL, it's fast and clear.

Yes micless people can be good players, enjoy the game etc... But personally I don't enjoy being with micless people,it just a teamwork version of Battlefield. It's not even funny, no one speak and you feel lonely. Mic is a must on this game.

[Cossack]

This x1000. It's starting to become real clear why the NA community of PR can't fill four servers during primetime.

Assume that a player w/o a mic = a new player. So every SL is kicking this guy from his squad. Then he goes and makes his own squad so he doesn't get kicked by the server. Then people yell at him for not having a mic and having no idea WTF he is doing. Within fifteen minutes this guy's opinion has dropped to absolute shit because you are afraid that having a micless newb is going to keep you from making top squad. Are you for fucking real? It's a goddamn game!

NUMBER ONE RULE FOR SL SHOULD READ: 1. Your squad's enjoyment of the round is paramount to your own.

That's why we play SL, to have fun and make sure the guys running with us have even more. Everyone should have that chance. The more they see the more impetus they have to get a mic and join in.

Meh, PR is about dedication. By me, if guy has mic, he is willing. If not, come back when you have one. When he gets it, now that is effort and dedication.

Hate those casuals that don't care.

[PolishKruk]

Hate those casuals that don't care.

I've seen plenty of players with mics play all casual and not give two shits about the game. Just saying...

[PolishKruk]

Yes,you're right, it's a game. Ofc, all we want is having fun. But seriously, I mean, PR is a fcking epic game when people communicate, sometimes you feel like "Oh god this is WWIII" and you enjoy it, because you call contacts, because you do your best to help your squad and keep it alive.

Sure you can play without a mic,but will it be awesome as playing with mic? I don't think so
Can you call contacts? Can you report clearly, what you hear,what you see,can you make suggestions and all that stuff? No. This game was made for people who like teamwork,who don't want to run,kill,die,respawn, but have a synergy with their mates,servers have rules to keep it serious and playable,but you can make all rules you want,if people don't communicate effectively, then it's useless. Guess what's the best way to communicate,ORAL, it's fast and clear.

Yes micless people can be good players, enjoy the game etc... But personally I don't enjoy being with micless people,it just a teamwork version of Battlefield. It's not even funny, no one speak and you feel lonely. Mic is a must on this game.

I don't think anyone is arguing that players with mics aren't better or more useful than those w/o. I'm just saying that simply because they don't have/use one is no reason to hang them alone.

Let them in and experience a round and you can occasionally mention how much more fun it is with a mic and then they can make that decision on their own and won't think, "man, those guys were a bunch of dicks!".

I agree with you. I'm just saying that as an extremely small community that is growing again with the popularity of Squad we should be welcoming and encouraging new players. Not making them walk away to never come back. Remember, the new people in PR today with be the veterans in Squad tomorrow.

[CR8Z]

Just be good ambassadors of our community. If someone doesn't not have a mic, encourage them to get one. However, if they ARE communicating, which seems to be the number one priority for some people in this game, then let them communicate via text.

I would wager that some folks don't want to talk to people that are being rude and spiteful. I can't blame them. I just don't want to be painted with that same brush.

[matty1053]

I've seen plenty of players with mics play all casual and not give two shits about the game. Just saying...

He meant casuals overall I think.

But why are you arguing about having a mic or not? It's required on nearly all popular servers. If you don't have a mic... you won't have a good experience. And you will be kicked.

PR IS meant for teamwork. End of story. Therfore teamwork requires communication which requires a mic.

Using the comma rose is annoying and gives away your position. Using type Chat takes hours. I understand using it to give cords of enemies and drop locations for choppers... but to communicate in general is dumb.

The text block some of your view anyways. I let some mic less people play in my squad only if they stick with me. If they go off on their own or spawn somewhere I don't want them to... then they get kicked.

I don't get how anyone can say having no mic is fine. You will LOSE terribly.

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[PolishKruk]

But why are you arguing about having a mic or not? It's required on nearly all popular servers. If you don't have a mic... you won't have a good experience. And you will be kicked.

Dude, read what we wrote before spouting the same thing you've said the last three times. I've even agreed with you ffs. It's not about what makes a better team, its about whats better for the community. Yelling at a player for not having a mic and then kicking him won't make him go get one and then come back. He will LEAVE. PERIOD.

[PolishKruk]

Also, what NA servers have a "mic is required or you will be kicked rule"? Because I have played on the only six that actually have players and have not seen such rule posted on any of those servers.

[SkyEmperor]

Also, what NA servers have a "mic is required or you will be kicked rule"? Because I have played on the only six that actually have players and have not seen such rule posted on any of those servers.

And this is probably why NA servers run Insurgency so much, the only NA server I play on is HOG and even when it's AAS you always have atleast 10 people that just run around and most of the time they only get shot and give up and respawn. While on a EU server like NEW you need a mic and I always enjoy rounds, because you have less blue guys and people communicate all the time and you don't play Insurgency so the server doesn't turn into a deathmatch.

[PolishKruk]

Interesting. Here in the good ole U.S of A our ISP's are of such great quality we have a hard enough time logging onto servers located on our own continent. I couldn't imagine what would happen if we all tried to join servers in the EU.

Also I would still say most of that is very much the CoD/ normal FPS conditioning most people here have succumbed to. I've played some great rounds both insurgency and AAS but I've experienced some terrible ones too. It's very normal in the US to think that no one else can possibly be better at something than yourself and therefore they have zero right to tell you what to do in a competitive framework because of course they are shit and you are awesome and can't possibly be wrong .

Please note, the sarcasm is thick

[GODBLESSEU]

In my opinion, there's somenthing we all should consider, that is as long as players have the INICIATIVE and COHESION (and a mic helps too), the squadron can sort itself out as one unit.

For example, one of my insurgency matches I had as an insurgent we had a squadron leader that was clueless about how to build a FOB, everyone on the squadron suggested him what to do and we all worked together as one unit.

I understand it might be harder on BLUFOR forces on Insurgency or any other faction in AAS matches, but as long as members can suggest and teach the SL, and lissen and communicate with the squad members, all should work okay. In one of the tutorials I've seen on how to be a better SL, the best thing to do with a PRivate SL or many new PRivate squad members is to focus in defending/transporting/building missions rather than patroling and direct assaulting, so if you see a new SL the best thing I'd suggest is to tell him to guard down a key area, in last case send in the most experienced units to go scout around or focus in direct assaulting.

But one important topic we should know is that without a mic it may turn it harder to communicate, but all hope is lost if the SL isnt listening to his squadron member advices or other SL's, even if they are new or not. And of course that also applies not taking the game seriously which destroys the entire experience.

[matty1053]

Each country servers have their own pluses.

If I want to have no insurgency or rarely play it... I'll play on EU server.

If I want to have decent teamwork and mix of modes I play on US servers 8pm-3am east timezone.



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