Scoring Question - Lonewolf/Rambo Syndrome

[RAWSwampFox]

Good Morning,

While the PR scoreboard is worthless if your team is losing, it does provide some information during the game as well as stoke some egos at the end of the rounds.

Question, is there a way to not share squad points with the lonewolves/rambos of a squad? Like, can there be some kind of distance factor put in? I mean, you need to include folks that overwatch their squad (AR's, MG's, Snipers, Spotters, ETC.) to provide firepower support but most likely, those squad members are nearby.

[PolishKruk]

Question, is there a way to not share squad points with the lonewolves/rambos of a squad?

Have your SL kick them for not working as a team.

[mat552]

Why do we still have a scoreboard again? Aren't points supposed to be worthless?

[gwa1hir]

Why do we still have a scoreboard again? Aren't points supposed to be worthless?

well it helps guessing how many tickets the enemy has left by counting the kills etc.

but i also think it would help removing it. that could do wonders to all the assest whores in general and especially to those who never drive but only gun all the time
every time i see certain names , especially one which is very active in this forum, i always wonder if they fap to their stats at the end of the round.
which would explain why you see them a) only in vehicles and b) in the gunner seat

[PricelineNegotiator]

I really feel that lone wolfs are somewhat necessary to the team. Have a 4 man CAS squad on Muttrah, two pilots, one spotter, one breach, and possibly one HAT roaming the south side of the map looking for MEC FOBs or APCs. It's actually hugely successful. Labeling it with "lone wolf" is kind of annoying, as you are really helping to knock the enemy team's infrastructure out form under them.

[PolishKruk]

But that isn't lone wolfing. That is just operating independently in support of the team. Most Lone wolfers don't' do that but instead just farm kills.

[mat552]

So "lone wolf" is a no true scotsman style catchall that is being used to cover "behavior I don't like".

[gwa1hir]

and there the problem starts its impossible to punish lone wolfs by denying them squad points without punishing those said independant operators. the only way of punishing them is a strict squad leader kicking peoples. unfortunately there are so many squadleaders nowadays that dont do their job that those lone wolfs will always find a squad to do it

[PolishKruk]

So "lone wolf" is a no true scotsman style catchall that is being used to cover "behavior I don't like".

Short answer: unfortunately yes

Long answer: I'm new here and just use the term in the connotation that the community has given it. It's merely a lack of proper terms. From my understanding a "lone wolf" ignores squad and team objectives to solely focus on killing. While killing the enemy does help the team win, it is such a small part that killing alone cannot be effective to win a round.

[Jacksonez__]

Some servers allow it and some don't. For example PRTA servers encourage (or demand) teamplaying thus lone wolfing is not acceptable.

If you want good stats, why would one go solo-rambo with MG or stuff? Killing doesn't even give that much points. Go make FOBs with your 8 man squad and cap flags (+ defend), that's the key for getting a lot of points. Or make mech-inf squad and grab APC with your 8 man squad. You are actually getting a lot of points (as if that would matter) and being very useful for the team.

[GODBLESSEU]

Short answer: unfortunately yes

Long answer: I'm new here and just use the term in the connotation that the community has given it. It's merely a lack of proper terms. From my understanding a "lone wolf" ignores squad and team objectives to solely focus on killing. While killing the enemy does help the team win, it is such a small part that killing alone cannot be effective to win a round.

I do agree with you, so it is safe to say that as long as you are getting score you are helping your team win in a way (bleeding enemy tickets for example), in the other hand ignoring your squadron and working alone might do the same effect, but it would be just filling a slot to the squadron if the squadron itself is focused in defending only, or building fobs or operating mortars or assaulting an especific point.

For example going solo to a location to try to backstab enemy in the meantime you could be following your squadron minded objective such as, for example, be serving as a medic or assisting defending a spot. If so you are not contributing to the squadron role but at the same time if you manage to succeed you are contributing to the round victory by bleeding enemy ticket and assets, but you arent fullfilling the potential of your squadron which if it is well planned might contribute to a well succeeded role

[PolishKruk]

Pretty much GODBLESSEU. Someone will always be more effective working with the team using coordination than going it alone.

But we must also understand that the scoring system is pretty TARFU.

Ill give you an example from last night:
I forget which map it was but it was Canada vs Russia so I'm sure they were fighting somewhere in Alaska over moose rights. Anyway, I was the squad medic. The SL went to build a FOB north of the first point while I took an mg armed G-wagon with a gunner. We cap while the SL goes back to base to resupply the logi. He wants to go all the way around the perimeter of the map and set up a FOB west of the enemies first point. So I pick up another squaddie and the three of us go and drive roughly 2.5km to get to where the new FOB is going. I get out and pull security while everyone builds the FOB plus a TOW launcher and an AA pit, remember I'm a medic. So the FOB is up and we move out to flank the objective. I'm driving the g-wagon with a gunner and one other passenger. Long story short it was an awesome round that we won by being sneaky.

My point is that before we had even gotten into contact, before I had fired my weapon or ressed or even healed anyone I was leading the squad in points. HOW? I was a medic! I didnt dig any positions, I didn't get any kills. All I got were transport points for TWO people. That is a little ridiculous in my opinion so don't pay too much attention to the scoreboard.

Remember, as long as you are having fun you are "winning".

[PolishKruk]

Some servers allow it and some don't. For example PRTA servers encourage (or demand) teamplaying thus lone wolfing is not acceptable.

If you want good stats, why would one go solo-rambo with MG or stuff? Killing doesn't even give that much points. Go make FOBs with your 8 man squad and cap flags (+ defend), that's the key for getting a lot of points. Or make mech-inf squad and grab APC with your 8 man squad. You are actually getting a lot of points (as if that would matter) and being very useful for the team.

It's part of U.S. culture to want to compare and be better than others and the way most games and people choose to do that is with K/D ratios. They don't care that they can get more points doing something else they just want to prove how "badass" they are by getting more kills and dying less than everyone else.

It's a condition that has afflicted this country ever since the Vietnam Conflict when we couldn't tell we were winning by taking and holding ground so they invented the stupid "bodycount" system.

[matty1053]

I allow lone wolf ONLY if they are in my asset squad scouting. Any other lone wolf is a no.

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[GODBLESSEU]

I allow lone wolf ONLY if they are in my asset squad scouting. Any other lone wolf is a no.

Yeah it is a pretty good idea to send in scouts or planned backstabbers, it also works when you're being supressed or you know where a sniper is or/and you know you're being flanked, you ask for volunteering units to go after and seek it/them.

But then you might ask, why do I let 1 or 2 go after it? Well its because chances are instead of putting the entire effort of the squadron and putting it all on a risk of all being shot, you are sending 1-2 lonewolves that can still do the job, and if they fail at it it would be just 1-2 tickets gone to waste instead of 8 tickets.