Diving heli bug.

[Menuen]

Sometimes when I dive in helis I can't recover them. It looks like Helis are taking damage and then you can't move them. It happened in huey and havock.
Video: https://youtu.be/npJ0bCHNj20

Sorry for this shitty looking post, but I'm writing from phone

[rPoXoTauJIo]

• Updated helicopter flight physics to better represent real life capabilities.

This have included a damage code to prevent flying exactly like on your video.

[SANGUE-RUIM]

I remember watching a (DEVBLOG or something) a long time ago where they said this change was intentional...

[camo]

It was only with 1.3 that you actually take damage and not just get less control.

[Menuen]

So you will change this in next version, if it comes out ??

[rPoXoTauJIo]

So you will change this in next version, if it comes out ??

For what reason?

[Menuen]

Because its unrealistic. In RL you can dive without bigger problems.

[rPoXoTauJIo]

You absolutely sure? If so, can you please provide refs for attack helicopters attacking with such angles in real life?

[Menuen]

First Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=p ... oV6o#t=143

Second Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-NMD3r70CU

Third Video https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=p ... nK6Ok#t=74


Its hard to find Military Helicopters.

[Acecombatzer0]

First Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=p ... oV6o#t=143

Second Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-NMD3r70CU

Third Video https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=p ... nK6Ok#t=74


Its hard to find Military Helicopters.

Then they are not good references...

A lot of videos like these surface on the internet too...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZ5RNe6AKns#t=47

It's an Mi-28 doing a loop, but don't be fooled, its not armed so its center of gravity and lift/drag ratio is not affected.

These factors drastically affect aerodynamic factors and doing fancy maneuvers while heavily armed will not give the same performance...

...such as this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUtyUTLeW1g

EDIT: I forgot about one thing, the latter video was taken at a very high altitude. The performance of the Ah-64 is also heavily affected by such, leading to its crash as well.

[Menuen]

In that Video that you showed Apache was at low altitude and pilots are using this maneuver at higher altitudes. Also I don't think that loaded helicopter cant do dive, maybe its harder to recover helicopter from dive, but I'm sure you can do this.

Oh and you cant find on Internet Attack helicopter diving because there is no need to dive in real life, they can see 3-5 km far, in PR you can see around 300-850 max when you are flying.

BTW: You don't need to change this if you don't want to, oh and flying helicopters in PR is boring as F..... , You dont fell speed. Flares are almost useless and you have only 42 of them. AA is working weird , and new flight mechanic is too easy, old one was much better . Maybe I just don't like changes .

You can close topic if you want.

[rPoXoTauJIo]

Its hard to find Military Helicopters.

That's why i specifically asked for refs of attacking helicopters rather than some show-off stunts
Also, it doesn't has to be a video, aircraft flight manual is counts too, even more, it's preffered.

[3ti65]

In that Video that you showed Apache was at low altitude and pilots are using this maneuver at higher altitudes. Also I don't think that loaded helicopter cant do dive, maybe its harder to recover helicopter from dive, but I'm sure you can do this.

Oh and you cant find on Internet Attack helicopter diving because there is no need to dive in real life, they can see 3-5 km far, in PR you can see around 300-850 max when you are flying.

BTW: You don't need to change this if you don't want to, oh and flying helicopters in PR is boring as F..... , You dont fell speed. Flares are almost useless and you have only 42 of them. AA is working weird , and new flight mechanic is too easy, old one was much better . Maybe I just don't like changes .

You can close topic if you want.

Sad but true Where's my speed yo

[viirusiiseli]

Sad but true Where's my speed yo

This above all else is the worst

[DesmoLocke]

This change was done because the go-to tactic for helicopters was to get an accurate marker on their target, fly way above ground visual range, and dive attack the target. It was especially effective with the cobra on Muttrah. Any decent pilot and gunner could be overly devastating. It wasn't great for gameplay because even stationary AA and mobile AA had very little effect against the attack choppers.

[camo]

Nah the taking damage part was to stop a few people from using the upside down havoc glitch.

[Spook]

^^this.

Diving still works fine if you do it properly and don't fuck up by overdiving and keep the attack angle above 0 degrees. But even if you do, you still have like 10 seconds to correct before anything happens.

[PatrickLA_CA]

Diving works fine if you don't overdo the angle, as long as you're under 90 you'll be fine.

But yeah attack helicopters, especially the American Apache can barely even take off with full armament in the best conditions. That's why they never load them fully up in Afghanistan where the weather conditions aren't perfect as well as the reason why they do running take offs with the British Apache which has better engines than the US one.