[Weapon] Colt Canada C7A1 NLD & C8(A1) NLD [WIP]

[Mr.VdHeide]

Hi everyone,



Here is a little project I am working on for the Dutch Faction. Right now the Dutch Forces in game use an outdated version of the C7 (rifle) and C8 (carabine). In 2009 we started to upgrade all of our rifle's from this:



To this:

C7A1 NLD







C8NLD:






As you can see the rifle received several new parts and it is up to me to model and UV map those parts. The handguard for the C8 is done and just needs some proper UV-maps. The Buttstock is also pretty much ready for UV-maps but it might just get some more detail.


The C8NLD:









Wire frames:







For the C8NLD it is all about these 2 parts:














Some more ref's:













I haven't modeled the C7's polymer handguard extension yet, but I will do that ASAP.


Some questions:


- How should I work UV-wise? Should I make a separate .max file for each of the 3 new parts I created and make separate UV-maps for them?

- How is my tri count, should I add more or less details to the buttstock if this would be the 1st person model? And what about the 3rd Person model?


This is my first time modeling a rifle so I am going to need some good feedback.


Kind regards,






DJ.

[camo]

This is good news! I've been dreaming of these modifications being done for quite a while now, might finally bring the dutch faction up to the standard it deserves.

Looks awesome.

[Glimmerman]

looking awesome DJ, keep it up

[camo]

Feedback on model.

Missing ambidextrous selector switch and oversized mag release (it's big and round instead of being small and oval shaped).
You can see both those things in this picture.





My main issue is with the forward hand guard. I feel like you've got a few things wrong. The forward hand guard is basically Colt Canada's integrated upper receiver, read about it here.
Here's a reference pic. The one used by the dutch army seems to be a modification of this design.



The angle/shape for these areas are off, as you can see in the picture below they should just be one and the same. I'm sorry i'm terrible at describing.



(note this picture is a slightly different design)

The yellow grip should just go in that gap you can see in the picture immediately above.



Second is the space just below/above the RIS rails, seems like it is too big.


I guess the way to fix this would be to make the side rails/grip and everything slightly bigger so it fills the space better.



Lastly the dimensions look off, too thin and a little bit squished.


This is literally the only image i can find of the IUR front on but as you can see it's more symmetrical.

[arjan]

If you need any more specific pictures i can get some at work for you. Just specify what you need.
I take it that the SRIM used is the one from PR itselve and needs remodeling?

[mries]

Mr. vd Heide,

Do you hate my crush? Because you are stealing all my love right now. If I find more time I am planning to start learning modelling as well to contribute something to PR.

Keep up the good work.

Ps. Is there a mapper which can give the Dutchies some Afghani love?

[Mats391]

you made this from scratch or imported one of our AR15? Best would be to use our AR15 as base. Then you dont need to worry about half the stuff and it would already be UV/textured to common textures shared between all of them. I can send you files if you want
Also please do them all:


Not sure if we have those scopes already, they dont seem to use Elcan that much.

[Glimmerman]

As far as I know and what all my reference material so far support is that we only use the Aimpoint Comp M4 with or without a 3x magnifier on these rifles.

The bottom one is the Colt C7 LOAW, its exclusively used by the Royal Netherlands Marine Core as a mag fed machine gun. (LSW)

Also dont forget to add the Magpull mag assist:

[camo]

We've got the comp m4 and 3x magnifier.

[arjan]

As far as i know magpull is not standard issue, only see them on occassion. Believe on own purchase.

The batteryholder on the SRIM could use some more length. And possibly add some lens covers to make it complete.

Are you gonna go with the clear lens on the SRIM or the ''gauze'' overlay for bright conditions?

Picture showing the difference (i am aware they are not the same aimpoints but still applies):

[Glimmerman]

In that case we could scratch it but on the other hand for those nice 2 tone aesthetics it makes look cool.

[Mr.VdHeide]

Thanks for the replies everyone!

This is good news! I've been dreaming of these modifications being done for quite a while now, might finally bring the dutch faction up to the standard it deserves.

That is exactly what motivated me to do this.

camo'] Feedback on model.

Thanks a lot for your feedback. I know exactly what you mean and your images illustrate it even better. When I modeled the front hand guard I didn't really have any good references that showed how wide the hand guard would have to be. Your ref's are really useful and I will use them when modifying my current model for sure!

About the receiver, I already noticed these differences before but I thought we already had the new receiver in PR. I checked the objects_weapons_client list by using bfmeshview today but I cant find that new type of receiver. I will model the new mag release and fire mode selector and make it one with the hand guard like it should be since that would improve the overall appearance a lot.

The in game receiver:

If you need any more specific pictures i can get some at work for you. Just specify what you need.
I take it that the SRIM used is the one from PR itselve and needs remodeling?

Mats391']Not sure if we have those scopes already, they dont seem to use Elcan that much.

I am not sure if we have the proper red dot sight yet; the Aimpoint CompM4 (+ magnifier). The one you see on the model right now looks different from the one on the ref's. I will ask [R-DEV]Glimmerman.

Mr. vd Heide,

Do you hate my crush? Because you are stealing all my love right now. If I find more time I am planning to start learning modeling as well to contribute something to PR.

Keep up the good work.

Hehehehe thanks, if it wasn't for the fact I already have a GF I think we would have made a great PR playing couple.

Also, let me know when you start with modeling. I can teach you the basics I guess.

Mats391']you made this from scratch or imported one of our AR15? Best would be to use our AR15 as base. Then you don't need to worry about half the stuff and it would already be UV/textured to common textures shared between all of them. I can send you files if you want
Also please do them all:

I received the original PR C7 / C8 files from Glimmerman and just made a new butt stock and hand guard for those models. However, now that we know there are more things that will need to be changed I might actually end up with a new: receiver, scope, hand guard and butt stock.

Also, I will only make the 1st and 2nd rifle shown in that image since the 3rd rifle is the Colt LOAW and it is only used by the Royal Dutch Marine Corps. We don't have the Marines in PR (yet) so there is no need to make that model (yet).



Kind regards,






DJ.

[arjan]

In that case we could scratch it but on the other hand for those nice 2 tone aesthetics it makes look cool.

That is true, you could model a plate carrier for the soldier with some magpull accesories on the front to make it even more neat. But i guess that takes a lot of work.

Example:

[Mr.VdHeide]

We've got the comp m4 and 3x magnifier.

That's good news, could you maybe send the .max files to me?

As far as i know magpull is not standard issue, only see them on occassion. Believe on own purchase.

The batteryholder on the SRIM could use some more length. And possibly add some lens covers to make it complete.

Are you gonna go with the clear lens on the SRIM or the ''gauze'' overlay for bright conditions?

Picture showing the difference (i am aware they are not the same aimpoints but still applies)

Thanks for your feedback, it is really helpful! I dont have the Aimpoint Comp M4 nor the magnifier model yet but I will use your feedback as soon as I get those.

I guess I will make the mag pull as well, it would be a nice detail. We could give it to the officer kit for instance. I am just not sure if it would be useful since it would require a slightly different animation and I don't know how much extra work making that animation would be.





DJ.

[AfterDune]

Looks really awesome, DJ! I'm so looking forward to your models .

[Mr.VdHeide]

Thanks



Some progress.

Both rifles are done now, though the receiver does still need some minor modifications. I changed the handguard a bit (cost me more then 3 hours tho... ) and it looks a lot better now I must say. Other then that I added a couple of details and such.

Here are some renders to enjoy:


C7A1 NLD











C8(A1) NLD












I do have a question for the modelers out here. When I received the PR models from Glimmerman I noticed that the the red selected plane on receiver isn't welded up:




So there is a gap now, I should weld it up I guess?









Kind regards,






DJ.

[Glimmerman]

OMG Its beautiful, absolutely lovely ��

[ddeo]

Looks nice, absolutely weld red part.

[Mr.VdHeide]

Thanks!

And I will weld it.



Dj.

[solidfire93]

awesome work mate, keep it up...

but i wish we had more maps that have Dutch faction in it....