Team player, and want to use sniper kit

[Sbitan89]

No matter how much I want to listen to orders and be an asset, is being a sniper basically always frowned upon?

[saXoni]

Depends on how you do it, and it's easier to do it in the "right" way if you've got a squad you're kind of sticking with - then again it would require the SLs permission to grab the kit which is easier said than done. Creating a "Recon" squad, grabbing a sniper rifle and thinking you're doing the team a favor is frowned upon.

[Sbitan89]

Depends on how you do it, and it's easier to do it in the "right" way if you've got a squad you're kind of sticking with - then again it would require the SLs permission to grab the kit which is easier said than done. Creating a "Recon" squad, grabbing a sniper rifle and thinking you're doing the team a favor is frowned upon.

So Ive noticed. Its really sad, I just like the slower pace of it. I only use simgle fire always on almost any gun because Ive never been good at compensating recoil on the mouse. Shooting my rifle is actually the last thing I want to do. I really enjoy the behind enemy lines aspect of it and the intel part as well. Even if I was to make my own squad I would still attach to another squad, or try to be a general asset. I would only go for kills on Officers and medics, I'm not trigger happy and understand the importance of concealment.

[saXoni]

So Ive noticed. Its really sad, I just like the slower pace of it. I only use simgle fire always on almost any gun because Ive never been good at compensating recoil on the mouse. Shooting my rifle is actually the last thing I want to do. I really enjoy the behind enemy lines aspect of it and the intel part as well. Even if I was to make my own squad I would still attach to another squad, or try to be a general asset. I would only go for kills on Officers and medics, I'm not trigger happy and understand the importance of concealment.

Although I don't share your view I understand what you mean. What is important to remember though is that this is still an FPS, and very far from a military simulator. Many clans have tried/are still trying to maintain a milsim aspect to their gameplay, and although it might be a lot of fun for that particular clan, it is to no help whatsoever for the rest of the team. Your team is way better off with you soloing with a rifleman kit close up instead of you soloing with a sniper kit "behind enemy lines".

I guess it all comes down to if you care about doing what's best for your team or playing the game the way you want to play it. If the latter is walking around alone doing no good for your team you most likely be called out for it.

[Sbitan89]

Although I don't share your view I understand what you mean. What is important to remember though is that this is still an FPS, and very far from a military simulator. Many clans have tried/are still trying to maintain a milsim aspect to their gameplay, and although it might be a lot of fun for that particular clan, it is to no help whatsoever for the rest of the team. Your team is way better off with you soloing with a rifleman kit close up instead of you soloing with a sniper kit "behind enemy lines".

I guess it all comes down to if you care about doing what's best for your team or playing the game the way you want to play it. If the latter is walking around alone doing no good for your team you most likely be called out for it.

Oh I would never solo. I would have a spotter so so we could designate targets. Intel first, High Priority targets second, then if we are winning, free fire.

[QuickLoad]

No matter how much I want to listen to orders and be an asset, is being a sniper basically always frowned upon?

I'm going to reply to you from someone who intensively leads infantry squads.
The perfect and conventional squad will have.
Officer
Corpsman
Rifleman
Breacher
Rifleman anti tank
Corpsman
Automatic rifleman
Grenadier

In that specific order, now this leaves room for ONE special kit, in my opinion, which is the rifleman whom I will sometimes offer the designated marksman kit.

A sniper not only lacks the ability of intense urban combat, but also the equipment to do so.
As a result, I end up placing the sniper 30 or more meters away from my now 7 man squad, but he can't get ontop of a building, so I send a breacher.

Now the sniper team can cover me effectively while being safe, but my infantry squad has just lost two rifles, and two shovels.
This can be extremely important in a variety of situations.

The snipers job is to kill targets of opurtunities and high valued targets, usually the former.
My job is to take out enemy objectives, build my own, and secure them.

The sniper does a good job at what he does. It is simply not what I need in 80% of cases.
You put it in prospect, I've authorized probably 200+ marksmen kits, but only 5-6 sniper kits in my time.

[Sbitan89]

I'm going to reply to you from someone who intensively leads infantry squads.
The perfect and conventional squad will have.
Officer
Corpsman
Rifleman
Breacher
Rifleman anti tank
Corpsman
Automatic rifleman
Grenadier

In that specific order, now this leaves room for ONE special kit, in my opinion, which is the rifleman whom I will sometimes offer the designated marksman kit.

A sniper not only lacks the ability of intense urban combat, but also the equipment to do so.
As a result, I end up placing the sniper 30 or more meters away from my now 7 man squad, but he can't get ontop of a building, so I send a breacher.

Now the sniper team can cover me effectively while being safe, but my infantry squad has just lost two rifles, and two shovels.
This can be extremely important in a variety of situations.

The snipers job is to kill targets of opurtunities and high valued targets, usually the former.
My job is to take out enemy objectives, build my own, and secure them.

The sniper does a good job at what he does. It is simply not what I need in 80% of cases.
You put it in prospect, I've authorized probably 200+ marksmen kits, but only 5-6 sniper kits in my time.

I would gladly use marksman as well. Precision fire is what I'm best at, positioning is something im also very good at. I just don't have the physical keyboard management to effectively lead a squad, or id do that. I feel like a burden to my squad mates having to maintain the fast pace. To make matters wise, i can't run the graphic settings too high so locating a target is a choir if I can't get a lay of the land. Im very cooperative, I'm just trying to find my place on this mod.

PS you'd be the first person I've played with to use a Grenadier

[QuickLoad]

I would gladly use marksman as well. Precision fire is what I'm best at, positioning is something im also very good at. I just don't have the physical keyboard management to effectively lead a squad, or id do that. I feel like a burden to my squad mates having to maintain the fast pace. To make matters wise, i can't run the graphic settings too high so locating a target is a choir if I can't get a lay of the land. Im very cooperative, I'm just trying to find my place on this mod.

PS you'd be the first person I've played with to use a Grenadier

If you want, you can add me on steam and we can talk about it.
You can hold yourself accountable sometimes, but you'll find after a couple of weeks that a bad squad leader is ALSO accountable. Someone who wants instant power and does not know that his men's lives are more important than his own is destructive as can be.

A grenadier is a rifleman, only that he does not have the ability to provide ammunition (boohoo, steal the enemys ammo in the worst case) I'd trade one tow missile, or 5 epipens, or three mags for 20 rounds of 40mm-fuckyourcover.
It's a loose support role, but can play well when enemies defend their positions well.

[Sbitan89]

If you want, you can add me on steam and we can talk about it.
You can hold yourself accountable sometimes, but you'll find after a couple of weeks that a bad squad leader is ALSO accountable. Someone who wants instant power and does not know that his men's lives are more important than his own is destructive as can be.

A grenadier is a rifleman, only that he does not have the ability to provide ammunition (boohoo, steal the enemys ammo in the worst case) I'd trade one tow missile, or 5 epipens, or three mags for 20 rounds of 40mm-fuckyourcover.
It's a loose support role, but can play well when enemies defend their positions well.

That would be great. Im not on steam, guess Id have to make a profile?

[QuickLoad]

That would be great. Im not on steam, guess Id have to make a profile?

Yup, I wouldn't see why not, PR might be on steam someday.

[Sbitan89]

Yup, I wouldn't see why not, PR might be on steam someday.

Will do tonight. Ill message you when I get it done. QuickLoad? Correct

[Mouthpiece]

Yup, I wouldn't see why not, PR might be on steam someday.

It will never be on steam.

And one more thing to mention about your so called perfect inf sq setup. Always choose 2 medics.

[Sbitan89]

It will never be on steam.

And one more thing to mention about your so called perfect inf sq setup. Always choose 2 medics.

He had two corpsman?

[saXoni]

It will never be on steam.

And one more thing to mention about your so called perfect inf sq setup. Always choose 2 medics.

He does.

EDIT: Ninja'd

[Web_cole]

Basically, a sniper in an Infantry squad is a liability at close range, barely useful at medium range, and the most useful at long and v. long range. The vast majority of infantry engagements in PR are going to take place somewhere between medium and close range. Having a sniper covering your squad at long range or further is almost never actually going to be as effective as having another gun right up in the fight, or having a Marksman or Automatic Rifleman providing fire support at medium range, or just getting stuck in tbh. Its also the case that how a sniper naturally has to operate- slowly, carefully- is often at odds with the operation of a good infantry squad. Hence, most squads in most situations do not require a sniper and would in fact be hindered by the addition of one.

[Sbitan89]

Basically, a sniper in an Infantry squad is a liability at close range, barely useful at medium range, and the most useful at long and v. long range. The vast majority of infantry engagements in PR are going to take place somewhere between medium and close range. Having a sniper covering your squad at long range or further is almost never actually going to be as effective as having another gun right up in the fight, or having a Marksman or Automatic Rifleman providing fire support at medium range, or just getting stuck in tbh. Its also the case that how a sniper naturally has to operate- slowly, carefully- is often at odds with the operation of a good infantry squad. Hence, most squads in most situations do not require a sniper and would in fact be hindered by the addition of one.

Well when I said being a team player I didn't necessarily mean part of a squad, but instead an individual squad made up of a Officer (SL), Sniper and breacher OR a sniper and spotter team attached to CAS to provide LAZ.

Also I will say, there has been a few occasions where Ive quickly dispatched a target quickly with a bolt action. Im not very good at auto fire, so always end up using semi-auto. One well placed shot is better than three.

[Mouthpiece]

Ugh, I misread then. Excusee.

Anyway, sniper kit is bad. Do not use sniper. Because it's bad. In PR it's made so it can ONLY be useful in mid/long range. But as we know, even while watching your positioning you will run into close range combat if you're working with a squad (and you know you should). Well, TBH, the only useful situations you can use sniper is following: If you base your movement and strategy around the kit. That is - only engage in long/mid range combat. Move after few shots. Choose your targets and only shoot when you can kill and so on. But people will dislike you for being a lonewolf. The fact that there's a sniper kit in game doesn't mean it should be used always.

I mostly see sniper kit as a situational kit - sometimes sniper can be really useful at suppressing or pestering squads in open. And a dedicated sniper can help the team. But the sad thing is that you still have to have this teamwork attitude to be good at sniper. You're an infantry man first and foremost so you still have to think about "what's best for the greater good?" and because your a sniper now you have some leverage (to impact the play in strategical level) so you use that to think about the game as thinking about yourself as a crucial aspect of your team. And that means - if you fuck up, your team will feel the burn. The same (Only more strict) goes for other limited kit usage - HAT, AA.

[Sbitan89]

Ugh, I misread then. Excusee.

Anyway, sniper kit is bad. Do not use sniper. Because it's bad. In PR it's made so it can ONLY be useful in mid/long range. But as we know, even while watching your positioning you will run into close range combat if you're working with a squad (and you know you should). Well, TBH, the only useful situations you can use sniper is following: If you base your movement and strategy around the kit. That is - only engage in long/mid range combat. Move after few shots. Choose your targets and only shoot when you can kill and so on. But people will dislike you for being a lonewolf. The fact that there's a sniper kit in game doesn't mean it should be used always.

I mostly see sniper kit as a situational kit - sometimes sniper can be really useful at suppressing or pestering squads in open. And a dedicated sniper can help the team. But the sad thing is that you still have to have this teamwork attitude to be good at sniper. You're an infantry man first and foremost so you still have to think about "what's best for the greater good?" and because your a sniper now you have some leverage (to impact the play in strategical level) so you use that to think about the game as thinking about yourself as a crucial aspect of your team. And that means - if you fuck up, your team will feel the burn. The same (Only more strict) goes for other limited kit usage - HAT, AA.

My thing is, there is always a handful of unassigned guys because CAS, TANK or TRANS crews only need a few soldiers for that squad. As I said, being attached to a squad is counter intuitive because of the reasons you listed. Thhis is why yo need the sniper team to be independent, but at the use of all squads. This is how it is in real life as well. Squads 1-3 take an objective. Sqaud 1-2 move to the next while squad 3 defends. Sniper team should already be posted out ahead at next onjective that squad 1 and 2 are headed to. If infantry only are on the objective, sniper team reports and takes out High Priority targets such as emplacments and SLs. If there is vehicles, spotter or officer lazes for CAS.

Im very surprised this isn't more accepted since in a game today, our entire team was flanked thanks to us not having any eyes up. Not to mention thr other team had either a sniper or marskman who was squad wiping often. There is a lot of practical uses for a sniper. I just think most ppl have killed the kit by selfish play.

[Mouthpiece]

It's not that it's not accepted. In your case (your example) there just wasnt knowledgeable snipers in your team. And I do agree with you that they work independent. It's just that this independence is mostly not in place in 95% of times. As snipers tend to not really communicate or think of their team and themselves as team assets but rather lonewolf supersoldiers.
Anyway, play as you like It's not that anyone will judge you. Nowadays there aren't any online communities with a strong unified sense of how this game should be played. I hope that'll change.

[Sbitan89]

It's not that it's not accepted. In your case (your example) there just wasnt knowledgeable snipers in your team. And I do agree with you that they work independent. It's just that this independence is mostly not in place in 95% of times. As snipers tend to not really communicate or think of their team and themselves as team assets but rather lonewolf supersoldiers.
Anyway, play as you like It's not that anyone will judge you. Nowadays there aren't any online communities with a strong unified sense of how this game should be played. I hope that'll change.

That's what I meant exactly. Sniper IS USEFUL if someone wild just let me haha. Like I said, the wanna be super soldiers have ruined it. And trust me ive been kicked for picking up a sniper kit.