What happened to PR?

[mcwaffle]

Played a handful of games after a 3 year hiatus in PR. Kids having a teamkill party in main, enemy bmp riding into main.. Squeekers that don't know how to set a rally point creating squads. Ridiculous mic spam pre-game.. I could go on and on. What the hell happened? A few years ago even the few and far between squeekers were well behaved on the servers. PR-TA and [F|H] are absolute shit shows today.


/rant

[RENEGADO]

Really ?

I played 4 rounds in FH today, it was pretty good, despite being Insurgency in all of them...
All admins was really fast and responsive to every report

[Jacksonez__]

Memories grow sweeter with time, dude.

[Mickey Mouse]

It really depends on the server I suggest playing on HOG or Based (when Its seeded) they both have decent admin teams and will help you have a better experience

[choppastyle]

Memories grow sweeter with time, dude.

I sympathize with OP (noticed the same thing) but I think Jacksonez has it.

Now, if we could play something other than the same five maps...

[Vista]

The fire nation attacked

[Prancer]

The fire nation attacked

And everything changed.

PR: Avatar

[Heavy Death]

Played a handful of games after a 3 year hiatus in PR. Kids having a teamkill party in main, enemy bmp riding into main.. Squeekers that don't know how to set a rally point creating squads. Ridiculous mic spam pre-game.. I could go on and on. What the hell happened? A few years ago even the few and far between squeekers were well behaved on the servers. PR-TA and [F|H] are absolute shit shows today.


/rant

Join us on PRTA tomorrow for the event. You can judge the shit show after that.

[obpmgmua]

I've noticed in the past few months alot of new youtubers have started covering pr. Which has led to alot of new kids playing it like any mainline battlefield game. Which has led to problems for the more hardcore and serious players. But this is also a good thing. It shows that games like PR appeal to the 12-17 crowd which is a key market demographic. I've gotten several kids to come play co-op instead because it's alot faster and they like it better.

I keep repeating myself here, but PR co-op is better than deployment, yeah the bots may be annoyingly too accurate, but it's more fun and more forgiving. Perfect for the less hardcore crowd among us.

[Cossack]

It really depends on the server I suggest playing on HOG or Based (when Its seeded) they both have decent admin teams and will help you have a better experience

And would not suggest playing on HOG, because so far two evenings in row experience is pretty bad.

[communistman]

What the hell happened? A few years ago even the few and far between squeekers were well behaved on the servers. PR-TA and [F|H] are absolute shit shows today.


/rant

What happened was PR became standalone, making it a ton more accessible to anyone who might have heard about it or stumbles upon it. So largely because of this (and because of Squad, etc.) the game then increased in visibility and more people were exposed to this free game with no barrier-to-entry.

And what you'd expect with any community happened, to some degree; the median quality of players dropped due to the influx. It doesn't mean that the game is no longer playable or fun, not at all. It means there are a whole lot more suckers to shoot out there

Really though you just have to try and come into every round open; open to training new people, open to lead a squad by example if there isn't a competent one to join. Open to valid criticism, and open to leave if you stop having fun. Seriously if this game is making you emotionally suffer, you should log off and use your time elsewhere. (not looking at you mcwaffle but maybe at some others...)

[RAWSwampFox]

Good Evening,

If this is the CIA Waffles from back in the day, current PR is not your style. HOG is the only thing close to your style.

Have fun!

[FFG]

Some (not all) maps are imbalanced, Too long between Patches, same shit day in day out, server admins being nicer to problematic players because the playerbase is smaller.

[communistman]

server admins being nicer to problematic players because the playerbase is smaller.

I get the impression that it's the opposite--admins are strict as ever on the servers that have always had strong enforcement, and the player base is definitely bigger than it was in 2013.

[FFG]

I get the impression that it's the opposite--admins are strict as ever on the servers that have always had strong enforcement, and the player base is definitely bigger than it was in 2013.

I mean generally servers still do perma ban people, HOG is famous for banning people and BASED Temp bans everyone instead of kicking. But in the grand scheme of things take a lot more of a fuck up to get someone perma banned from most servers.

[Bastiannn]

I'm somewhat new to the PR community but here's my 2 cents about this. The last few days to entire week have been kinda bad. I usually play on PRTA and sometimes on F|H or DPRC and what i've been able to notice is that if something bad happens in the beggining for against your team, everything goes to shit. Let it be the squad being dead-hit while in any trans, picked apart by a sniper after you ran 10 minutes in the beggining of the round to cap a flag or anything else, everyone seems to get angry and/or to give up.

Another thing i've been noticing that i think it leads to all this happening is lack of commanders, good SLs and good players with apc/armor.

Literally most of the times i played last couple of weeks when the bad games occured the team had rough starts -> having to respawn but there were no FOBs -> spawn back in main -> get picked apart again -> gets pushed to Main by the other team -> give up and start smoking main, teamkill, troll, shooting like kids and mic spam. Also most of the games one teams apc/armor STOMPED the others. Why does this happens? Because some more experienced players are always stacked on one side e.g. F| clans and others. But i can't really blame them, cuz most prolly they are friends and want to play together, so i should say the lack of decent players on the other teams apc/armor squads.
Admins should punish things like these more but as a former admin in some other games i understand that its not easy when everything is chaotic, everyone screams that the guy doesn't have a mic, the guy teamkills, the guy trolls alongside other reasons that correlate with the punishments given their autority or lack of isn't a big of a problem.

So going back to "lack of good SLs" sadly i started trying to stick to some good SLs i know and play in their squad, literally at a point where im afraid to join squads in the beggining of the game when i don't know them, don't know if they are shit or decent and if i'll have a good game or waste my time. Yesterday for example, playing on Beirut as Russian, we got a boat, capped the first flag and proceed to a T building trying to capture a flag. Well, one of the problems was that at least one enemy squad was in front of us, inside of a H building, alongside with a sniper that we had no idea where he was, not that we found later. So we finally capped the flag, but we were picked apart by a grenadier, the sniper and i think the LAT. Our grenadier and LAT weren't in their best of days so we proceed to respawn -> head back to the T building -> get picked for 2 or 3 times. After some time our SL left and the new guy had no idea what to do so we just waited the game out until we were pushed to the carrier where everyone threw smokes, shoot in the air, spam mic/radio, nades/c4, teamkills, you name it. I'm not really a guy who takes initiative and being a breacher i had no idea about what i should do. The SL just said stay in the building in cover.
So this scenario has happened for a few days now, multiple rounds a day.

[Sgt.BountyOrig]

I'm somewhat new

everyone seems to get angry and/or to give up.

lack of commanders, good SLs and good players with apc/armor.

the team had rough starts -> having to respawn but there were no FOBs -> spawn back in main -> get picked apart again -> gets pushed to Main by the other team -> give up and start smoking main, teamkill, troll, shooting like kids and mic spam. Also most of the games one teams apc/armor STOMPED the others. Why does this happens?

trying to stick to some good SLs i know and play in their squad, literally at a point where im afraid to join squads in the beggining of the game when i don't know them, don't know if they are shit or decent and if i'll have a good game or waste my time.

the new guy had no idea what to do so we just waited the game out until we were pushed to the carrier where everyone threw smokes, shoot in the air, spam mic/radio, nades/c4, teamkills

i had no idea about what i should do. The SL just said stay in the building in cover.

Everything you need to answer your questions is contained within your own text.

Experienced SLs are afraid of being SLs out of fear they'll be wasting their time leading a load of new players with no initiative failing at the most rudimentary practices possible within PR that the 'experienced' among players simply learned by doing, repetitively.

1, perhaps 2 new players at a stretch are manageable, but lacking those two players will still be fatal to a squad where if they'd had someone more experienced, they might have won the battle

New players aren't so much as making the effort before leaving because they think they are wasting their time on a bad SL, may be true but most likely not.

Since you're having "no idea what to do" so far, try something over the next week - when you enter a situation in which you go into a building and are holding it, look for a way to exit the building and simply leave that situation without having to fight your enemy. Where's the fire coming from? Where's your escape? What can you do once you have a better position?

[Cpt.Future]

Yesterday for example, playing on Beirut as Russian, we got a boat, capped the first flag and proceed to a T building trying to capture a flag. Well, one of the problems was that at least one enemy squad was in front of us, inside of a H building, alongside with a sniper that we had no idea where he was, not that we found later. So we finally capped the flag, but we were picked apart by a grenadier, the sniper and i think the LAT. Our grenadier and LAT weren't in their best of days so we proceed to respawn -> head back to the T building -> get picked for 2 or 3 times. After some time our SL left and the new guy had no idea what to do so we just waited the game out until we were pushed to the carrier where everyone threw smokes, shoot in the air, spam mic/radio, nades/c4, teamkills, you name it. I'm not really a guy who takes initiative and being a breacher i had no idea about what i should do. The SL just said stay in the building in cover.

If you were inside the cap range while inside a T shape, then what's the point of attacking the enemies in the H shape? There is plenty of cover in a T building. If your entire squad gets wiped from outside the building without enemies entering, you did something wrong.
Remember to hide for 2 minutes after getting revived in a building so you don't go completely dead when an enemy shoots you.
If there is a grenadier/LAT attacking you, you can easily move to a different part of the building.
Don't forget to cover the entrances of the building.

- When the flag is cappable by the enemy you can stay and defend the building (because you're in cap range of the flag).
- When the flag isn't cappable by the enemy anymore you should try to move to the next objective.
- When the enemy starts overcapping you, because they have more people on the flag, you can take the initative again and attack the guys in cap range.

The SL just said stay in the building in cover.

That's a decent option in that situation.

If you have enemies sitting in a building in the middle of nowhere you can ignore them most of the time. New players die a lot because they pick unnecessary fights for kills and play too aggressive after getting revived.

I hope you have better luck next time you play.

[inb4banned]

It's an old game that went standalone and free, the experienced players who are still around are tired of trying to help out newer players, lock their squads and stick with other experienced players. Newer players have little chance of getting better as there's little community interest in helping them. That's why we are where we are.

[sunshine2241991]

i really like the end game mic spam . its just a steam release .
I LOVE IT