[WIP] Admiral Kuznetsov

[anantdeathhawk]

Heard someone was in Mediterranean. Making this for Russian forces to replace their sneaky cargo ship,and most importantly to learn how to finish it .Hope you all will help me.It's been a while since i have worked on it.

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Thanks.

[Rhino]

Hate to be a party pooper but I'm sorry to say that your not ready for such a massive project Anant.

Optimization is key and without it, the tri count gets blown out of the water, pardon the pun and on something this big, you have to optimize every step of the wa as the thing is too big to go back on afterwards and try and find all the spots you can optimize later, will mean so much time wasted and you will never find them all.

You also need to make this like a staticobject, which means working with texture palettes which means you model to textures, rather than texture to the model like you do with normal stuff, a totally diffrent way of working and something you do not want to be leaning on something so big and complex.

Finally if your aim is to replace the Russian Cargoship, then an Amphib Assault Ship, like the Ivan Rogov-class landing ships, would be better suited since they carry Helictopers and land vehicles, where a carrier can only really carry jets and choppers and currently, we have no Russian Amphib Assault maps that need jets, although ye, one could be put into the works, but then giving them any AAVs would mean still putting a cargoship in ideally to simulate a landing ship.


In all, think you've got some way to go before you can tackle anything this large and your other projects are far higher priority


EDIT: also encase you don't know, the Chinese aircraft carrier "Liaoning" is the same class as the Admiral Kuznetsov since they brought it off the Ukrain 3/4 built and then finished it hehe.

[InfantryGamer42]

He can use the already existing aircraft carrier as a reference maybe?

Maybe,but Kuznetsov is much bigger carrier then Esex(is thet right name?). And,on the end he would need to think how Russian jets can land on carrier(arresting wire) and make it in game. So it would be really big project for one guy. Plua he would need to make MiG-29K and Su-33. But Kuznetsov and his Chinese brother would be great add to a game. We could see Chinese invasion of Taiwan from CV(I cant remember name),like Falklands(good idea I think). Sorry for my English(if I make some mistakes).

[anantdeathhawk]

To [R-DEV]Rhino:That ship seems to be out of service, i saw some other landing ships, but none had the helipads.Yes, i agree its very complex, i am trying to optimize it on every step also,and yes its not top priority,don't worry.I'll learn to make a static from you before proceeding on this.

To I-Omer-I:I am not exprienced in game development,just know how to get a shape by moving verts around.Still learning.

To Aleksa2000SM: Mig 29 and su 30/27 are already in game, just retexturing and adding canards to the su 30 will do, also if the load out changes then some new missles or bombs.

[simeon5541]

They have sets of collapsible wings with more hardpoints, different cockpits... to name a few differences... so it is unfortunately more than just retexturing job.

[Rhino]

To [R-DEV]Rhino:That ship seems to be out of service, i saw some other landing ships, but none had the helipads.Yes, i agree its very complex, i am trying to optimize it on every step also,and yes its not top priority,don't worry.I'll learn to make a static from you before proceeding on this.

Indeed that ship is out of service now (although those did have helipads/hangers), and it seems all their other active landing ships don't have helipads.

TBH it seems Russia have no real Amib Assault force other than basic landing ships only capable of launching ground forces. They are currently developing a new Helicopter Assault ship called the "Priboy ["Surf"] Large Landing Ship" after their deal to buy the French Mistral-class fell though, but god knows when they will complete that, only in the concept stages so far:


As for optimizing, here is a quick example of my Frigate and it's pretty much 58k tris right now for LOD0, not including the RHIBs and you can see how few tris are actually spent on things like the hull etc and most of the tris go into the small details like the weapons, radars etc:

[Mats391]

I think this can be lower quality as it will be a static rather than moveable ship. I know the essex it not great quality, but I would be totally fine with a russian carrier with same quality.

[Rhino]

I think this can be lower quality as it will be a static rather than moveable ship. I know the essex it not great quality, but I would be totally fine with a russian carrier with same quality.

Essex is 43k tris all in including well deck and weapons (although not including ladders ), which would mean being the same sort of detail, we are talking around 60k for this ship too.

But the detail isn't the important thing, its the optimization, since a low detailed, but poorly optimized large model like this can easily blow that figure out of the water. My Frigate is only 58k tris with me optimizing the mesh as much as possible in every area and one would be hard pressed to find any tris which aren't needed for either shape or smoothing purposes.

[Ivancic1941]

Anatdeadhawk, i need to say it is not good to make anything new when you have already three projects up. THREE! Why not finish them, dont wait Rihno feedback, look it by yourself, look at internet videos try to optimise and clean your three project. Freeze this totaly only if someone makes map for it. That three projects can be used immideatly in maps while you will need to wait for this and loose your time. You are the boss, but this is friendly suggestion. Why not learning UV and texture or animate model? Then you will do modeling completely and could give it easily to coders and exporters. Try to do comparations by looking at similar wepons in PR

Edit for Rihno: Hey that liitle fast boats on your frigate, are they statics or they serve as life boats and will be used for that purpose(of course that 2 left and right not that one in middle )?

[anantdeathhawk]

@Ivancic1941-yes youtube's there but they don't have specific vids on things and optimization really comes with experience over time,that's what i think.I tried UV but its hard,will try again when the model is cleared to go for the UV by the devs.

@Rhino:I was thinking(not gonna actually go for it),Alligator-class landing ship and kuznetsov with Ka-52 alligator/Admiral Grigorovich-class frigate with Ka-29TB although it carries Ka27/31 according to wikipedia.That ship you made looks very awesome.

[Ivancic1941]

Nevermind. Good luck, looking good!

[anantdeathhawk]

Thanks,and may be you can learn modelling too and help out. ,more people would be good.

[Ivancic1941]

Well,Im more active in FH2 community and I know work with editor so I will maybe make some maps but for FH2. Yea I also tryed Max and learned some soo basic stuff and then quited.
Im following your work and it is pretty nice! I only wanted to say that it is better to finish already started projects befor moving on this or anything else. Believe me,once you finish even one model and its animations or texture you will get big boost in your work as you will know pretty everything within modeling and next will go faster. So to conclude,

[Aviator]

It looks good but Admiral Kuznetsov is bigger than USS Essex. I think Moskva-class helicopter carriers better for PR. These ships retired but may be better for the PR.



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Russia is planning to build a new helicopter ship ?n addition.


https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A3%D0 ... 0%B0%C2%BB

[Rhino]

Well the Moskva class has been out of service since 1991 and was an anti-submarine warfare ship, although ye, could be used as an Amphib Assault ship but wasn't really designed for that role

And I mentioned the new Assault Ship on the last page

[InfantryGamer42]

I think Kiev class is better then Moskva class. Yes, Kies is ASW carrier,but Soviets planed to build amphibious version of this class. Plus,whit this carrier we would get YaK-38 and Yak-41.

Kiev class

https://www.google.rs/imgres?imgurl=htt ... mrc&uact=8

YaK-38

https://www.google.rs/imgres?imgurl=htt ... mrc&uact=8

YaK-41

https://www.google.rs/imgres?imgurl=htt ... mrc&uact=8

Then we can make 8km Guadalcanal whit RUS vs US whit two carriers or Malta RUS vs UK. Thet would be best,specialy because we get VTOL jets in air.
PS Sorry for my bad english.

[Rhino]

Kiev class has since been retired from service, as have the YaKs so wouldn't be possible to use on a modern map.

But the AIX Mod does have a YaK-38

[B2P1]

Yak-141 pls.

[tankninja1]

My Frigate

I forgot about the Frigate. Was it released with the other Falklands stuff?