PRTA

[Rabbit]

https://www.realitymod.com/forum/f29-pr ... aints.html
Reminder this exists.

[Mats391]

Yesterday I witnessed at least two players that were actively playing getting kicked for being AFK. First was one of my squad members who was talking in mumble, team chat, dying, respawning, even tho he did not so much killing he was very much not afk.
The other was the Osprey pilot on Khami. He just dropped a crate and got shot down by AAA and then he got kicked for being AFK. Usually you have enough admins on both sides (I think, cant tell for sure) so it should be easy to avoid such mistakes.

[Frontliner]

@Rabbit

nobody in the Dev Team gives an actual fuck. Or if anyone does it's the PRTA human resource team not giving one, case and point being Mats being constantly reprimanded for every little non-issue they can come up with. And while he himself doesn't seem to care others do care very much about how other players and groups of players that are being harassed, silenced, kicked and tempbanned by an admin team that is clearly not able to deal with incoming reports, simple requests and feedback. Just take a look at my signature "Do note this issue has been resolved by Mats and the admin team", a flat out lie, with not a single one in the admin team feeling ashamed for one of their peers resorting to lying. I don't think they even apologised for that.

Edit: We've talked about it long and hard, we tried giving feedback, it was ignored, we asked what's wrong with it, we are being branded for "inciting drama" - no really, they have a say command for that. But ultimately we can't control the ones who seed PRTA on a day to day basis, and as a consequence PRTA has the upper hand and can ignore/harass/kick/ban just about anyone they deem "too vocal" or "too annoying".
So unless anyone of the License Holders is interested in taking an earnest look into these matters I fail to see the point writing it into Spec's abandoned thread.

[Vista]

I've said it before and I'll say it again - if they don't get repercussions they won't give a fuck.

[mrjoe(ita)]

I believe people who are able to remove the license (if such action is actually possible) are also "friends" with PRTA management, so complain all you want, it will not accomplish a thing.

the solution is dont join a server you dont like, however I understand is hard when the alternatives have more often than not limited amounts of admins on-line, and with the retards polluting PR public servers nowadays, servers cannot take the luxury of not having admins on-line.

[Snusmumriken]

Got banned from the Teamspeak and Server for doing basicly nothing. I haven't been even playing for 2 months now.

[Vista]

I believe people who are able to remove the license (if such action is actually possible) are also "friends" with PRTA management, so complain all you want, it will not accomplish a thing.

Not really, Mineral is not 'friends' with PRTA managers.

But I agree with the other point, people really need to start to pick their servers and help the (quality) ones seeding instead of just joining the highest populated server.

[=MeRk= BluFFeR]

Not really, Mineral is not 'friends' with PRTA managers.

But I agree with the other point, people really need to start to pick their servers and help the (quality) ones seeding instead of just joining the highest populated server.

Cough "MeRk"

[Mineral]

Quoting myself again since it's been a few pages:

Please stick to PRTA related feedback on general server of specific events. The meta of servers can be discussed somewhere else.

I am tired of having to read all this **** all day so from this point on the guidlines will be specifically followed:

Please understand that if you break the forum rules, or if you go against the above guidelines we will give you infraction points immediately.

https://www.realitymod.com/forum/f29-pr ... -read.html

why,when and how players joins what server isn't feedback.

I can understand the frustration of being silenced so no infractions for the last few pages. Please see this is another reminder for the future posts. Infractions will follow again.

As my name was mentioned here a quick note. I don't have any affiliation or friendship with any server, I hate them all equally. Neither am I in contact with a single server so I doubt you can accuse me of such things.

I am working on a updated server license for better protection of players, as that's a part that is lacking atm IMO. As is sort of also witnessed here. A license update doesn't happen over night, also some technical things involved in relation to the server updater and all that. Not something we can change at a moments notice. I guess I mostly want to say I'm not ignoring all this. but as with all thing PR, it takes more time then we all want it to.

My biggest fear is the community turning smaller, into a few almost private/whitelisted server communities which get too small to populate the game, but refuse to talk to each other over toxicity and drama. Which simply kills the game. I hope with a more protected player status in the license we can avoid alienation and a more healthy server community that can live together. Accountability will be more important as well. But perfection I do not expect at all and neither should you. Servers will always be free in deciding for who they host their servers.

So that can conclude the discussion of license and all off-topic talk. PRTA Feedback thread= PRTA feedback posts.

[Mineral]

Thread cleaned. Stop the license discussion, and post PRTA feedback. Otherwise don't post.

[DesertFox284]

I have not posted here before because there are some people I still respect in PRTA. Honestly, any of those who support them in this deserve no such respect from me.
So here is my feedback and my suggestions on how to improve your server, so it is more enjoyable to play on. My intention is not to cause discord in your community, nor any tensions between you and other communities.

1. !admins command is disabled. Reasons you provided are vague and to my understanding you did it to prevent name calling involving admins on the server. As you have seen so far it backfired massively as most people learned who your admins are, so you do nothing but hinder regulars and new players from seeing if there are admins online.

My suggestion is: to re-enable the command instead of being the only PR server with it disabled. If you take a peek in all other community forums you will see that the !admins command brings no harm.


2. There are many counts of your admins breaking your own rules, inventing and enforcing new rules on the spot, many times to their advantage. This was brought to your attention multiple times and sometimes you acted (by warning them) while sometimes you completely ignored the matter at hand.

My suggestion is: to revise your ruleset and stick to it. Instruct your admins to not enforce any rules which do not exist, and finally, take responsibility when they actually do. You do not have to remove anyone, just talk to them, I'm sure that with some guidance they will all play nice. And if they make a mistake (we are all humans and we all make mistakes, apologize for it and move on instead of trying to prove it was not a mistake).


3. Censorship. You have censored your forum, preventing people from making reports and bringing issues up to you. You have also banned permanently multiple people who have been complaining. Thing is, just because you disagree with someone's way of giving feedback (no matter how rude they are), you can not just sweep them under the carpet and pretend everything is fine. Just remember, if everything is fine, noone will incite any drama. Them complaining is the sign you guys need to change. (for better that is).

My suggestion is: Unban all those you banned for following reasons: Inciting drama, Disruptive behavior. Apologize to them. Uncensor you forums and let people bring the issues up to you. If you do not agree with them, explain it in the forums when they bring the issue up. If you are right and they are wrong, it's going to be easy to counter their arguments (and if they are right then you have to accept their feedback and do your best to improve upon it).


I hope one of PRTA officials will read this and listen to my feedback. Accepting any or all of my suggestions will not do anything but improve your server. (or at least prove me wrong if you want to ignore this).

[Heavy Death]

I have not posted here before because there are some people I still respect in PRTA. Honestly, any of those who support them in this deserve no such respect from me.
So here is my feedback and my suggestions on how to improve your server, so it is more enjoyable to play on. My intention is not to cause discord in your community, nor any tensions between you and other communities.

1. !admins command is disabled. Reasons you provided are vague and to my understanding you did it to prevent name calling involving admins on the server. As you have seen so far it backfired massively as most people learned who your admins are, so you do nothing but hinder regulars and new players from seeing if there are admins online.

My suggestion is: to re-enable the command instead of being the only PR server with it disabled. If you take a peek in all other community forums you will see that the !admins command brings no harm.


2. There are many counts of your admins breaking your own rules, inventing and enforcing new rules on the spot, many times to their advantage. This was brought to your attention multiple times and sometimes you acted (by warning them) while sometimes you completely ignored the matter at hand.

My suggestion is: to revise your ruleset and stick to it. Instruct your admins to not enforce any rules which do not exist, and finally, take responsibility when they actually do. You do not have to remove anyone, just talk to them, I'm sure that with some guidance they will all play nice. And if they make a mistake (we are all humans and we all make mistakes, apologize for it and move on instead of trying to prove it was not a mistake).


3. Censorship. You have censored your forum, preventing people from making reports and bringing issues up to you. You have also banned permanently multiple people who have been complaining. Thing is, just because you disagree with someone's way of giving feedback (no matter how rude they are), you can not just sweep them under the carpet and pretend everything is fine. Just remember, if everything is fine, noone will incite any drama. Them complaining is the sign you guys need to change. (for better that is).

My suggestion is: Unban all those you banned for following reasons: Inciting drama, Disruptive behavior. Apologize to them. Uncensor you forums and let people bring the issues up to you. If you do not agree with them, explain it in the forums when they bring the issue up. If you are right and they are wrong, it's going to be easy to counter their arguments (and if they are right then you have to accept their feedback and do your best to improve upon it).


I hope one of PRTA officials will read this and listen to my feedback. Accepting any or all of my suggestions will not do anything but improve your server. (or at least prove me wrong if you want to ignore this).

Actual constructive feedback, bonus points for that. I am the most neutral person to be affiliated with PRTA, that is actually in PRTA and I'm not a part of any personell decisions, internal or external. From what I gather (again, I'm not directly involved, but being in management means you do see and hear most of it), the issues are as follows:

1. Of what realy use is the !admin command to a player really? It is handy if it's enabled but if it's disabled there is also no harm. You say that people found out who the admins are and it just confuses the new players. If the new players play by the rules, then they don't have to know who the admins are. If a random troll comes on and decides to mass TK and he doesn't know the admins prior to server entry, now that is going to confuse him, which is one of the reasons. People who want the locations of police patrols obviously have something to hide or are breaking/planning to break the rules. The command would be enabled (as it was since it was implemented?) if it wasn't for a select few people who intentionally targeted admins. So those are to thank.

2. I complained about that myself, it was partially resolved lately it seems. Also a new, hopefully simpler ruleset is being worked on, for the sake of everybody involved.

3. Unbanning people and apologizing most likely won't happen. Because they were banned for a reason. Not agreeing is one thing, but pushing the agenda way beyond any reasonable point over and over and over again (this thread proves that) is psychopathic behaviour. Needless to say, this includes people who were the reason for the much beloved !admins command removal.

So in one breath you are basically saying to fix the server and to bring back people who intentionally try to destroy it. If staff needs to worry about those "disruptive people" all the time, how can you expect them to focus on training admins properly. Besides if PRTA did/would ban too much people, it will cave in on itself sooner or later as the player mass would gravitate to many other avaliable (apparently way superior) servers. It is this simple, shoot yerself in the foot many a time and sooner or later you won't be able to stand.

[MasterHenaz]

So in one breath you are basically saying to fix the server and to bring back people who intentionally try to destroy it.

Got banned for reporting admins for breaking the rules and trying to give them feedback.
Not breaking any of the rules described on their website to my knowledge.

This is how they handled my feedback. Out of the blue. No warnings or talk or anything.

[UTurista]

1. Of what realy use is the !admin command to a player really?

If the server has no admins it shouldn't run anyway.
Either admins use PRISM or they close the server. Servers that keep on running w/o admins will eventually get retarded people doing retarded shit.

Seeing the admins also allows the players to realize which ones are the good ones and which ones are the bad. It allows the community to correlate actions to certain admins and then properly report them.

[kanakeitto]

UTurista;2164974']If the server has no admins it shouldn't run anyway. Seeing the admins also allows the players to realize which ones are the good ones and which ones are the bad. It allows the community to correlate actions to certain admins and then properly report them.

We know that reporting admins isn't what anyone wishes since it will more often than not result in permament ban. There's gotta be another way, I just can't come up with any atm

inb4 too edgy

[mrjoe(ita)]

UTurista;2164974']If the server has no admins it shouldn't run anyway.
Either admins use PRISM or they close the server. Servers that keep on running w/o admins will eventually get retarded people doing retarded shit.

Seeing the admins also allows the players to realize which ones are the good ones and which ones are the bad. It allows the community to correlate actions to certain admins and then properly report them.

This is common sense however they have it disabled so people cannot report admins if they ever abuse their powers and considering the trail of pissed off people they are leaving behind, due to admin abuse, I don't think they will enable it any time soon.

[FFG]

So I found out the other day that I was seemingly banned from the PRTA forums. So I wait on their TS for an admin to chat to, upon which I'm instantly banned by chav.

I don't understand why exactly I'm banned. I don't believe I've broken any rules. Maybe I offended them by reporting PRTA members for Racism and Griefing. But I haven't had any communication from PRTA as to why I'm banned.

I'm particularly pissed off due to my clan taking the time to sign up to their tournament only to pullout a week from the first round due to what I can only see as a childish ban for no reason. I can't even remember the last time in the past month I even played on PRTA.

[teamworker]

Here is some more proof of how "competent" PRTA admins are.
After shit ton of reports from my side and my driver's about enemys shooting at as from main as soon as we arrive on position. (last flag was neautralized "TAMPLE" and we went there to stop them from spawning at barn fob) I get banned for shooting 3 guys outside of main who were shooting at us with lats and hat from main in first place. GREAT JOB m8s

Here, a video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NdQrZh_W-w

[VTRaptor]

Same HAT shown on the video fired on us (other APC) four times. Two shots are shown on the video, next two shots after teamworkers ban.

In this situation it's possible, but very hard to make people stop shooting out and into the main. So admins that were present could make decision to allow baserape, as it's natural Qwai problem after capping last CH flag. It may sound stupid, but that's the way it is.

"No shooting into, and out of the main" is common rule, that doesn't apply to every map and the Qwai is one of the examples.



or devs could make china main cappable

[RaNa-Rocxs]

Server feedback is just cancer for PR. Respecting point of view please don't involve any Dev'z. All Dev'z doing too much hard work for nothing. they are deserve big respect.