=HOG= (North American) - Feedback Thread.

[Haley]

Funny and true

Been afk for some time, but still kept in the loop. Just wanted to say...its such a shame that these c**ts that are well know to all of us and which are banned on nearly every server and have a fan base which justifies their actions and protects them I.e that dickhead above me. All I'm saying is why don't we as a small community that has given years of loyalty and enjoyment to one self and others with similar mind frame, to enjoy what's left of this unique game? By that I say we should once and for all some how ban or get these little fukers addresses or whatever you comp nerds can do and as a final farewell, terrorise this liitle shits i.e order a high class prostitute to virus's house or send an email to atom and tell him he didn't make the cut for the Olympics as a gymnast? Oh, forgot...tell inspectura as hard as he wants to try he will never be like that weird mofo hotmilf.

Anyway, this shit is a joke, few sour ******* need to be put to rest or they will put pr to rest.

Peace.

[CAS_ual_TY]

Exactly....so shut down all the servers with 30 players or less and both servers will be full...

The problem here are not servers with 30 people on them, tho I agree with your statement. The problem are full servers that have no admins on them for 5 rounds and refuse to deseed their server even tho not even a single person of their staff is currently playing and thus has no reason to keep the server up

[Haley]

We do not know if an admin will be on or not, we dont know if any other server will be up with admins online...its better to have a server up with no admin than to have no servers up at all...we could shut down the server and then an admin could show up 10 minutes later to an empty server...an admin could leave and 30 minutes later another admin could show up...there are admins I have never played with based on time zones...we have admins from many time zones who play at different times....we must have somewhere around 25 admins...we dont schedule their playing times....some dont play they just sit in prism...it has been that way for ten years....Most players behave, those who dont get punished so it reduces problems long term...but again if there were not a bunch of dead/low player servers those players could admin on the live servers.

[doop-de-doo]

Casualty, why is the underlying theme of your posts "shut your server down"?

[CAS_ual_TY]

Casualty, why is the underlying theme of your posts "shut your server down"?

Because Im trying to become the overlord of all pr servers. Read my posts again

[__Super_6__5__]

dont see area94 anymore, is it down for maintenance or something else??

[AlonTavor]

Merged with PRTA.

[GrumpyPilot95]

Is that seriously your response? To go on your forums is probably not something I would do, if this is the kind of responses you give when you know it is moderated.

Oh ohhh my dude, you can be sure it is.

[Danielj15]

Good to see you guys had admins on today if only they responded to reports.... today on jabal some lovely people decided to make a trans squad and fly all the inf into the out of bounds spot, they killed all the inf whole team reported them no response i joined hog ts got welcomed with a hello there i said " wtf is going on are you just ignoring the reports" no response. trans resigned then mass tk by the same people then those people deiced to mine the carrier (keep in mind the whole team was still reporting them) they kept tking until an admin switched and asked whats going on. after a while they banned 1 guy of the trans guys, then banned 2 guys trying to remove the mines. the excuses from the hog admin was that they were afk but that was not true because they both had kills before the switched over to US. 5mins later i was tb after saying " nice banned the wrong guy"

[Haley]

Wow man relax...the guys in TS, most are not admins...u got no response from the admin because he was afk for 5 minutes...then he came back and banned them. He said u just would not stop bitching so he tb u...dont be so hostile. The admin does not want griefers on the server...he is human....every now and then an admin may go afk...thats no reason to freak out on him.

[KhlavKalash]

thx casualty for using the word "deseed". no one ever wanted to shut down or "kill" a server. its about "deseeding" it.

[Haley]

What is deseeding?

[Murphy]

I will go ahead an assume it's the opposite of seeding. Slowly filtering players from HOG to other servers with active EU/OCE admins. The point some posters are getting at is there are times in the early morning (in NA) where all HOG admins are sleeping, as that is something most humans require to function. People are trying to negotiate a way to take players from HOG and get them onto servers with active admins.

HOG admins seem to take this as an insult or a slight against them, possibly trying to "steal players". In reality the community is struggling to maintain sufficient player numbers in the early morning hours, which leads to fruitless seeding by the admins of the other servers and aggravated players sitting on your server without admins while trolls turn the server into the wild west.

This would not only help police the problem children while also keeping you guys from having a plethora of posts complaining about the lack of admins. HOG admins have constantly stated they will allow respectable players to apply to become an admin to help keep the server when they are around, but very few people actually look forward to the prospect of being the thankless admin who gets yelled at for not moving fast enough, and also shit on for moving too swiftly. There are not many people who will actually stand up when asked to volunteer to become an admin, I've done it in the past and it is a nightmare to be sure.

Now we are here, with a group of players clamoring for higher standards while the player base dwindles, and by extension the number of active admins has declined as well. The big solution currently being pushed in this thread is to ask players to change servers as the last admin logs out for the evening, to change map to something that will get players to leave of their own accord, or to just straight up shut the server down.

I don't really understand how to handle this situation from a HOG admin stand point. You are being asked to shot yourself in the foot because your toes bleed when you don't pay attention, I can see that. This would be a large sacrifice, made nightly, and might eventually negatively impact HOG's current situation as the "go to" for NA PR. This needs to be considered by the other side, we cannot expect HOG to cater to all our needs at their own expense. It's not really fair, I think if you can suspend your own bias you will quickly see this.

The other solution would involve the entire community of server admins finally coming to an agreement on a set of rules and allowing admins to be for multiple servers across all active timezones. This isn't likely to happen (because there are a lot of politics behind the scenes) but vetting all server admins and allowing the PR Dev team to have the final say on who can be an admin and who cannot would bring a standard which would allow all servers to share a consolidated administration team. This could be done like elections, having each community put forth their representatives to be assessed and voted on. Independent players would obviously welcomed as well and held to the same standard as any other candidate.

I realize this would take a lot of patience and would add more for the devs to deal with while they are already spread pretty thin, but it would be a massive step forward for the admins of this entire community. I also realize that the people paying for their respective servers would want to be entitled to have a say as to how the game is played on their dimes, which is why we would need to really get deep into which rules are important and need to be standardized as well as which ones are at odds with other servers' rule set. There is more to be gained by grouping up and watching out for one another than there is by ripping each others intentions apart because our opinions differ.

[KhlavKalash]

yep that sums it up murphy. to make it clear: i'm not against the HOG server. i spend alot of time on your server. and your admins doing a good job. everything fine.

but we have to find a solution for the community. and we should stay together, doesnt matter wich community we belong to, especially in this hard times with all those hackers and trolls.

[__Super_6__5__]

so admins for OTHER servers are playing on our server but dont want to get involved and spend the time to admin here. So to fix this, we have to force our players to leave our server to go somewhere else to play?

Not getting that to sink in.

I see your problem, understand it but forcing players off our server, excuse me, deseeding our server is not a viable option as stated above.

[KhlavKalash]

I see your problem, understand it but forcing players off our server, excuse me, deseeding our server is not a viable option as stated above.

that's a word

[RAWSwampFox]

What is deseeding?

Neutered?

[Temur]

Well said, Murphy.

Does the =HOG= server restart every 24 hours?

You're bang on that the problem is somewhat of your control. Your server is populated at a time when your admins are asleep, which frustrates players (and admins of other servers who have to play in a chaotic server because theirs isn't seeded). That's not your fault and it's a good problem to have, but there are solutions to it which would benefit the wider community.

If it restarts every 24 hours, at what time does it do so? If it doesn't, consider doing so.

If it restarts every day early US time (e.g. 0500) that would shake off the players who are still on the server - when there are no admins online. PRTA currently restarts our server every day in the early morning, meaning if there are players still online, they are shaken off and forced to go elsewhere whilst admins are asleep. The first admin to wake up then begins reseeding the server.

That, in theory, is one solution.

The other is - and I know you guys don't like this - 'killing' the server at the end of the day. We do this regularly - the last admin to go to bed 'switches off the lights' by either a) setting Vehicle Warfare, CnC or an unpopular layout/map to make players leave or b) telling players to join another server in a timezone where admins will be active.

Both of those are common policies. We regularly do one or the other, often both. This makes sure that our server depopulates when admins aren't online, improves the quality of gameplay for the community and protects our reputation. We have made arrangements with NA communities in the past to 'swap' playerbases at those times of the day - so when the NA community goes to sleep, they push their players over to us, and when we go to sleep, we push our players over to them. It was a mutually beneficial relationship.

Interested to hearing your response. And again, well said.

[agus92]

so admins for OTHER servers are playing on our server but dont want to get involved and spend the time to admin here. So to fix this, we have to force our players to leave our server to go somewhere else to play?

Not getting that to sink in.

I see your problem, understand it but forcing players off our server, excuse me, deseeding our server is not a viable option as stated above.

That is a moot point, other server admins will likely have enough work on their hands, therefore they won't be able to join your admin team.

[__Super_6__5__]

That is a moot point, other server admins will likely have enough work on their hands, therefore they won't be able to join your admin team.

haha, so busy huh? busy doing what? if there servers were popped then they would be on their servers, busy doing the dishes or something?