Remove the engineer.

Guerra norte · Post by **Guerra norte** » 2006-12-15 15:57

I think the engineer should be removed and replaced with a saboteur class insted cause that's what he does right? blowin' shit up

How am I going to repair my vehicles you ask? Add repairing stations!

This would add to the realism aspect of the game, and and value of vehicles.
I mean who jumps out of a tank in the middle of a firefight with a freakin' wrench to fix a tank?!
This means you could also buff up the tanks now that they are more vulnerable and let them engage targets from longer distances.

For repairing vehicles who have lost mobility due to damage, a lot more repair trucks (like in Basrah) should be added.

So no more magic wrench!

WesleyS · Post by **WesleyS** » 2006-12-15 16:05

thats ludacris!
I love the Engy with the magic spanner wrench, you have to back out of battle anyway in order to fix the thing, unless of course you wish to DIE!

Guerra norte · Post by **Guerra norte** » 2006-12-15 16:09

you have to back out of battle anyway in order to fix the thing

EXACTLY! So why not make it more realistic?
EDIT: Ohh and I forgot to mention that this would slow down gameplay which equals realism, which again equals FUN!

Post by **fuzzhead** » 2006-12-15 16:18

yea guerra good idea, but instead of repair stations i think the repair vehicles would be a good addition, this way you need someone to 'man' the repairs...

Guerra norte · Post by **Guerra norte** » 2006-12-15 16:20

I want both!

$kelet0r · Post by **$kelet0r** » 2006-12-15 16:25

the combat engineer ingame with a wrench (like the spec ops class having a parachute) is Bf2 fantasy land and needs to go - an infantry soldier with the ability to repair everything and anything doing the job engineering vehicles should be doing is madness

the vehicle crew class should thus get the wrench for tankers, parachute for pilots and copilots

the combat engineer should become an explosives/demolitions expert and lose the wrench completely (preferably and realistically to be armed with the assault rifle AND the shotgun as secondary)

the spec ops should become a close quarters combat specialist (as fitting an embedded special operative in an infantry unit - there are no special forces units in PRM, it's a conventional army milsim)

Mr_B.A.Baracus · Post by **Mr_B.A.Baracus** » 2006-12-15 16:25

I like this idea, the idea of the magic wrench in a 'reality' mod is quite absurd. IRL if a tank is damaged on the BF then that's it! If you can still move it then you would retreat from the front lines to get it repaired, if not, you'd either go down with the ship (so to speak) or bail out. I really think this should be seriously considered.

Guerra norte · Post by **Guerra norte** » 2006-12-15 16:29

DEATH TO THE 'NILLA WRENCH!

Post by **dbzao** » 2006-12-15 16:33

The repair vehicles already exist but most people don't know.

We have them in Al Basrah and Operation Greasy Mullet. They are jeeps with only 2 seats and if you bring them closer to vehicles, you repair and resupply them.

There are plans of making them more noticeable support vehicles so people just don't use them as transport.

Clypp · Post by **Clypp** » 2006-12-15 16:33

Remove the wrench for fixing vehicles. Keep it for fixing assets and the gate in Falluja.

$kelet0r · Post by **$kelet0r** » 2006-12-15 16:34

i have nothing against the wrench being given to tankers - afterall realistically they would be well trained in vehicle repair and maintenance even under combat situations with the ability to make damaged tanks battle ready

Remove the wrench for fixing vehicles. Keep it for fixing assets and the gate in Falluja.

how is that realistic - tanks can be repaired by tankers irl
exploded gates and artillery are not going to be repaired realistically - you would block the gate with a vehicle for example not build a perfect wooden gate on the battlefield and erect it under fire!

Guerra norte · Post by **Guerra norte** » 2006-12-15 16:39

$kelet0r wrote:i have nothing against the wrench being given to tankers - afterall realistically they would be well trained in vehicle repair and maintenance even under combat situations with the ability to make damaged tanks battle ready

The point is to remove the wrench cause it's an aweful realism killer, and repairing tanks often requiers heavy equipment which soldiers don't carry with them.

wpgcivic · Post by **wpgcivic** » 2006-12-15 16:40

good ideas, in here, yeah the wrench is a little far fetched

...repair stations and vehicles is a good idea

{GD}StevenGarcia · Post by **{GD}StevenGarcia** » 2006-12-15 16:48

Good idea Guerra. Remove the wrench completely.

$kelet0r · Post by **$kelet0r** » 2006-12-15 16:52

the wrench is I suppose a compromise rather than having a hundred animations for welding, screwing, lifting etc.
Visually yes it is ridiculous but as an action it is not - it is a limit of the BF2 engine animation and model repetoir, not one of realism when applied to necessary repairs to vehicles (engine, armour breaches, turret gyros, tracks etc. all of which can be repaired with a tool kit and the tank's own replacement parts)

the UAV is a repair station anyway at the moment and we only need one

Obviously in the future engineering vehicles will need to be added to PRM

MrD · Post by **MrD** » 2006-12-15 17:54

How am i going to repair bridges anymore? or that door in the tunnel on Op Ghost Train? Not one of you has even mentioned more than repairing tanks and wheeled vehicles

Guerra norte · Post by **Guerra norte** » 2006-12-15 17:55

repair trucks

$kelet0r · Post by **$kelet0r** » 2006-12-15 17:57

bridging vehicle

Guerra norte · Post by **Guerra norte** » 2006-12-15 18:03

$kelet0r wrote:bridging vehicle

Now that would sweet, however concidering how gay the bf2 engine is I doubt it would work.

Valtasar · Post by **Valtasar** » 2006-12-15 18:21

And how to dissarm mines without wrench?