All these changes to the AR kit yet no one seems to get it right

[AlonTavor]

> has one of the strongest kits in the game
> spot a guy in close range
> set up
> he is like 50m away
> walks across open ground
> no cover for him
> he has no idea you are there
> open fire on the guy
> blast a full mag into him
> somehow he survives while running over open ground into cover

You missed the part where he can't aim. Deviation doesn't do anything in such a distance.

[Jimbo of Ameridan]

> has one of the strongest kits in the game

Yet none of the aim to use it. Just because mouth breathers can't aim, and you can't burst doesn't mean the kit's suddenly bad now.

[AlonTavor]

I honestly do not understand what this proves. That he aimed right for a split second?

[Jimbo of Ameridan]

Strange how he still managed to almost kill me.

By getting lucky because he's throwing a shit ton of rounds at you?

And I know you're not the AR in the clip.

[BubblyNinja]

I'm not exactly understanding the argument here. Are people upset that the deviation penalty for weapon sway and having longer bursts is making the AR/MG less effective? The AR yes has become much less "snipery" but for me it's a welcome change. Yet despite that it's still does well on long range.

I guess relevant:
https://imgur.com/QPuCVgI

[Jimbo of Ameridan]

I guess relevant:
https://imgur.com/QPuCVgI

it's almost like remaining stationary and only bursting at targets nets results unlike sighting while moving and holding the trigger down! It's a weird thing to have so much complaining over, honestly.

[VTRaptor]

Hitting moving targets beyond 200 meters is extremely random. Remove scopes from ARs if you don't want them to be sniper rifles, but revert deviation changes please.

Waiting for the gun to settle was painful, but now you can't even cover a street properly. The less acurate the guns are, the more frustrating it is to play PR, add almost 200 ping on hog for europeans and allmighty hitreg and the strongest, medium to long range oriented weapon turns into noisy cqb weapon.

What's the point of changing a decade old meta when nobody's complaining about it?

[Grump/Gump.45]

Hitting moving targets beyond 200 meters is extremely random. Remove scopes from ARs if you don't want them to be sniper rifles, but revert deviation changes please.

Waiting for the gun to settle was painful, but now you can't even cover a street properly. The less acurate the guns are, the more frustrating it is to play PR, add almost 200 ping on hog for europeans and allmighty hitreg and the strongest, medium to long range oriented weapon turns into noisy cqb weapon.

All a scope does is zoom into the target. Iron sights can be snipers just as dangerous with the right perception and concept mentality, scopes just make that easier. You can see same distance with scope and iron sights, scope makes it easier for the lazy minds who do not wish or cannot adapt new methods. Range is what makes people miss the target or not even see it. It depends on the eyes and mind of the person with that weapon. Put the tip of your iron sight post on enemy dots far away. Iron sights with a ring sight are just like a scope, put enemy in circle and lead them. Basically shooting at tiny ants.

Scopes mostly help to identify target, you can miss just as easily with scopes as people do with iron sights. With iron sights for target identification you have to just shoot anything looking suspicious, could look like a human head peeking out, just a tiny dot. It goes "i think i see something" which should only be expressed by firing bullets. The rest of it is like you described the game functions of deviation with individual effect of ping which cannot be helped.

[VTRaptor]

All a scope does is zoom into the target. Iron sights can be snipers just as dangerous with the right perception and concept mentality, scopes just make that easier. You can see same distance with scope and iron sights, scope makes it easier for the lazy minds who do not wish or cannot adapt new methods. Range is what makes people miss the target or not even see it. It depends on the eyes and mind of the person with that weapon. Put the tip of your iron sight post on enemy dots far away. Iron sights with a ring sight are just like a scope, put enemy in circle and lead them. Basically shooting at tiny ants.

Scopes mostly help to identify target, you can miss just as easily with scopes as people do with iron sights. With iron sights for target identification you have to just shoot anything looking suspicious, could look like a human head peeking out, just a tiny dot. It goes "i think i see something" which should only be expressed by firing bullets. The rest of it is like you described the game functions of deviation with individual effect of ping which cannot be helped.

Glad you explained what scope is, never used one before. One more thing, a keyword: LODs.

I see that all the posts you are making are extremely long just because you pour too much water into them, so I'll just ignore them like the others seem to do here and tell you to improve your k/d / git gud.

[transpilot]

All a scope does is zoom into the target. Iron sights can be snipers just as dangerous with the right perception and concept mentality, scopes just make that easier. You can see same distance with scope and iron sights, scope makes it easier for the lazy minds who do not wish or cannot adapt new methods. Range is what makes people miss the target or not even see it. It depends on the eyes and mind of the person with that weapon. Put the tip of your iron sight post on enemy dots far away. Iron sights with a ring sight are just like a scope, put enemy in circle and lead them. Basically shooting at tiny ants.

Scopes mostly help to identify target, you can miss just as easily with scopes as people do with iron sights. With iron sights for target identification you have to just shoot anything looking suspicious, could look like a human head peeking out, just a tiny dot. It goes "i think i see something" which should only be expressed by firing bullets. The rest of it is like you described the game functions of deviation with individual effect of ping which cannot be helped.

Maybe you should start using scopes to improve your k/d.. or is that against the vietnam veteran ethos?

Here an update on your kd: https://prstats.tk/player/3183/sgtgrumpgump45

[Nate.]

That's enough

[WingWalker]

Hitting moving targets beyond 200 meters is extremely random.

That is incorrect...

... unless PR changed it with the new update, beyond 200m is actually pretty easy in PR with the system. Infact 300-400 is pretty easy, 200m I was doing from standing. It just not a laser hit with the first bullet.

So... what the fuck are you all talking about anymore?

Everyone here needs to go try these things more than once before shit posting all week.

[Grump/Gump.45]

Glad you explained what scope is, never used one before. One more thing, a keyword: LODs.

I see that all the posts you are making are extremely long just because you pour too much water into them, so I'll just ignore them like the others seem to do here and tell you to improve your k/d / git gud.

Many reasons for the state of my K/D. My long posts are reflective of the teaching style Mike Mah gives in his long 10 minute average lectures, describing skills of the situations details. He is a good teacher. If all this could be copy and pasted into a not robotic voice it would be better, easier to learn.

Your positive K/D is likely due to you using assets VTRaptor, i see your name in asset squads always. You have been one of the players marked in my minds memory of the manipulative character of "im not doing anything unless im gunning" as many of the gate keeping asset whores act with their stacked clan. Many players like you put themselves in favorable un-challenging positions to appear good on paper and statistics getting kills the easy way. By road killing, FOB spawn kill farming, DOD helicopter/asset camping kills, infantry wrecking with stacked asset teams. I dont do any dis-honorable killing for a good spot on scoreboard in PR, especially if it leads to getting kicked or banned. My kills are hard earned.

I do crazy things shown/described that require guaranteed deaths to practice, Im also always designated driver for armed/un-armed infantry vehicles. Im always using a rifle, pistol or knife most of the time as squad leader.

I share my experiences, methods and skills within the game. Which are many, not brief and they are highly detailed because when i give orders when i miss a detail people die or stop believing in my tactics. I have to explain in full before any part gets shut down due to the pit falls of that one part of hard to accomplish tactics without the addition of a solution to the counter move enemy will likely use against what i say.

Reasons for my K/D


Alot of my time, for months i was playing dead cause im the last survivor always due to my skills and position considerations in deadly situations where its hard to survive. Thats the best place to learn. I will point my legs to hand grenades if i need to just for that extra advantage where there is none so at least my heads further away. Playing dead always leads to being dead when going for kills with it, which i never pass up opportunity to scare somebody. I am the last survivor always, Im outnumbered, out gunned to begin with usually with somebody i need to teach. Im always teaching, i lead squads, sometimes i teach them how to get kills and they learn so well there is usually nothing left for me. My personal kills require psychologically tricking the enemy, not using the typical instinctual brute force on force tactics.

"Fire height of a man and shoot any suspicious dot you see" as an order I give leaves nothing for me when my squad does good. This video is the exact opposite, its more enemies than I or we can handle with guns. This is why I play dead in believable ways with bodies, after hand grenades go off and long firefights where they might believe I bled out.



There is 9 enemies, too many for me to sit still and take time to aim without camouflage. That would get me killed, I find myself in this situation a lot. TO HELL with YOUR AR DEVIATION COMPLAINTS, if you can survive as long as me diverting enemy from storming the trench (im TRYING to get them out of cap edge) When you are me, you don't have the time to sit still and aim on 9 dudes who are aimed at you for even a second.

Add time messing around as insurgents which i always play to give BLUFOR a challenge. Insurgents dont move in full squads/ Im always last man at each cache or was everytime for years. Some days on any PR game I dont care as the losing team especially when admins mistake my rare days of high effectiveness as somebody to permanently balance and teach the bad team my "1 per cover" tactics with.

All the HALO 7K meter altitude jet jump sky dive attempts fly my body in free fall to Falklands British ship I marked on map in vehicle warfare plus collision and take off crashes. Basically getting in a jet is likely death.

I do not do modern assets with thermals either, nor am i the gunner unless its WW2 Sherman where i realistically use the 4000 round COAX doing recon by fire. "The column would fire its weapons more or less continuously into any suspected enemy positions as they appeared(any new bush coming into view), suppressing and distracting the aim of enemy gunners and antitank teams.[2] Supply echelon convoys using trucks equipped with .50-cal. M2 Browning machine guns also used the tactic when traveling through areas not completely cleared of enemy forces.[3][4]". I scare my enemy and play with my food more than anybody.

Otherwise I AM ALWAYS the tactical driver for infantry following good terrain and speed control so its less time on the gun for me. So I only drive and die, i spend a lot of my time in vehicles, no kills for me keeping people and the vehicle alive. I use bullet proof vehicles a lot to mess with infantry without road killing cause I could kill a lot if i wanted to to improve my K/D. My only fear is heavy vehicles or LAT when i do that.

[LimitJK]

whats your relation to mike mah?

[transpilot]

Grump pls. You Die more than you kill. So the average Player is better than you. Doesnt matter that you suck at this game because there are more important things in life.
But please stop posting this Vietnam Veteran bullshit. Its a game limited by its engine. And the day you become 18 pls dont join the army. People like me will bully you 24/7 if you Tell them shit about Vietnam

[Grump/Gump.45]

Grump pls. You Die more than you kill. So the average Player is better than you. Doesnt matter that you suck at this game because there are more important things in life.
But please stop posting this Vietnam Veteran bullshit. Its a game limited by its engine. And the day you become 18 pls dont join the army. People like me will bully you 24/7 if you Tell them shit about Vietnam

Moderators/DEVS please forgive where this goes off topic as i want to improve his character and for all others like him, wish it was in person cause they dont like to read or imagine themselves in fear of another human they fantasize bullying over a subject used as an example. Such weak un-intelligent minds. If i spread everything i said over 1000 posts, thats what it would be. Hence i keep it to one post to subdue any possible re-buttals, questions or responses that could occur over long drawn out conversations days/weeks apart in response. Sorry if you actually need to read this moderators to check it, hope i keep it interesting.



This game is in no way limited to what i have found i can do with what im given. Devs did a great job whether they intended for me to find a way to do things or not. You are very limited in everyway, limited in insults cause all i hear is K/D and you will bully me. How is it all you do is flame, give no input and are still here on the forums? I didn't see any rules dictating length of post and subject except for relevance, which another rule you break with your cluttering insults against me in every single forum thread i post in. Want me to make more shorter posts or keep to longer ones? You have no actual choice in matter like you think you have control over others. I ask for preference which i should definitely give someone as un-intelligent as you none.

You vaguely say its a game limited by its engine. This isnt even something that needs to be developed, it has nothing to do with the game engine, its something i already do and use. This is developed in the mind by learning, not on the games engine. Whether to adapt to the new AR/machine gun deviation or 1000 of new and old things. Your continued crying amuses me, you couldnt be in the military as you imply. Especially if you arent interested in combat and everything behind that goes into it. The fact you bring up K/D like a child on "Call of Duty" going directly to the stats of the person in lobby you hate supports that.

Keep crying about Vietnam being brought up, somehow you think you can control that being a bad thing. Complete imbecile, YOU HAVE NOTHING USEFUL TO INPUT HERE FOR THE GROWTH OF DISCUSSION OR GROWTH OF OTHERS. You think what you say stops what i do, you must be used to having power over people like a bully. But bullies like you pick weak targets, and like i said VTRaptor picks un-challenging favorable situations. Theres a different between people like me and you all. I dont go around flaming or even remembering people i hate, i dont bring up stats to evidence of their in game learning/ hardships or trial and error of new things. I dont mess with people to get them angry for fun of it either. But i got something special i do to cowards like you described below that i have done.

Its like how people cry about the deviation since machine guns/AR got updated, only reason this thread exists, cause people like you limited in the mind. You cannot adapt to the new feel for it. I try to close those gaps for others, oh but you must speak for everybody. You are fantasizing about bullying somebody over talking about Vietnam? You dont need a life, you need help if this is where you get your ego. Bullying doesnt happen alone so i know you are imagining doing it along with other non-existent people you imagine in delusions to be as bad of a person as you dont even realize you are.

Un-intelligent, all you do is bring up K/D like a child in an argument on "Call of Duty" then you imply your cry baby self is in the military by saying you would bully me. No way a child like you is in Army. You fantasize about bullying people? Theres a reality of what i do to hard asses like you "DO SOMETHING!! DO SOMETHING!! Why there tears in your eyes? You gonna crying? Aww look a his wittle fist bawlling up. Do we need to call mommy and tell her why you getting bullied? I want her number, get her on the phone" Ill get that number out your fear and Ill get her too, I will send a pic of my shirt off and get a "whos this? " text back while she married to your dad/step dad with screenshots of the message for you. Gone that far once. Humans are so typical, especially with psychological tactics.

I saw your playing time, you must have been banned or something cause YOU ARE NEVER ON PR, probably a hacker. Hackers banned from PR should be banned from here, if you are banned for hacking and i never had another un-intelligent un-educational flame post navigating these forums would be much more pleasing. You are just like Moogly, Virus and all the others who grief cause they say PR is old shit game.

Its the way you carry yourself like a griefer trying to keep skill levels low, they grief because of try-hards on an old game. Why are you here? You dont want anybody getting better because you dont want dead bodies popping up on you or people getting better? Oh thats right you dont even play, never see you, you never there to give me **** in game.

Also evidenced by your grudges, flaming and general anti-social psychopathy you probably are a griefing cheater. Check your PMs, i gotta tell you, i would be in your face yelling daring you to do something while you sit there getting tears in your eyes about to cry, i wouldnt even let you stand up to try something. That is what happens, i like it so much when i stopped having to do it for myself when i stopped getting messed with, I now do it for others and ALSO TAUGHT THEM THE PSYCHOLOGICAL TACTIC.

People who get bullied arent bullies so they dont know how to bully bullies. You prey on the weak. You would get hurt if you got up, especially when in the wrong trying to take back dominance you never earned.

I use psychological tactics outside the game too, for "hard asses" like you, its fun to show what a coward really is. You without numbers of friends to bombard a loner with questions and make him feel bullied. You imagine yourself bullying me with others and get enjoyment out of the fantasy. Thats why you say it here because thats how bad you are, you fantasized about it. YOU NEED HELP. The reality is your friends would sit there and laugh while i make you cry getting up in your face all violent and scary. Your friends would laugh when they aint no better, they laughing cause it actually is funny, they want to be on my side because now they dont want the same humiliating damage to ego happening to them. THATS WHAT HAPPENS

You are un-intelligent, un-useful, you add nothing to help people develop skills, moral character nor actually contribute to forums. All you do is toxic flaming..

You are just imagining any back up from "friends" you would have in numbers to defend yourself against person you bully and perceive as weak. You probably arent even in the military, you are just delusional imagining friends cause really, how do you bully somebody alone? What if they snap and hurt you? Oh wait, thats right you only pick on weak targets. Dont try to hurt peoples minds, thats bad. You NEED numbers and are a psychopathic coward who would enjoy bullying somebody for talking about Vietnam making it seem like something is wrong with that.

In reality, like ive always done, you would be getting tears in your eyes, sitting there while i dare you to do something while i show them what a coward you are when you do nothing. Damaging their ego, try something i damage them as fast as i can breath. showing yourself you arent as brave as you thought, try to retaliate or even if i just feel like i dont like your fist balled up i fix that for you.

There is nothing wrong with AR deviation, this whole thread started AFTER we got the updated deviation. You all need to adapt, i try to give examples of that and teach to those willing to READ A NEWS LETTER FROM GRUMP.

[transpilot]

You really need help.

[Mats391]

If you all cant stay civil and stop with personal attacks regarding skill of individual players, we will have to lock this. Ad hominem is no valid type of argument.

[Grump/Gump.45]

If you all cant stay civil and stop with personal attacks regarding skill of individual players, we will have to lock this. Ad hominem is no valid type of argument.

Everywhere i go, theres a transpilot there.. Every where i go.. Theres a term for me to google. This is exactly how i learn or am reminded of things like the existence of things i forgot exist "ad hominem". I try to keep it to the reasoning and method behind player adaptation under this subject of new AR deviation. Its hard to ignore him every time he brings up K/D. Between vehicle warfare late night, insurgent team full time, FOBs being camped and practicing funny tactics (like playing dead) my K/D is fine. I can read what i write in less than 2 minutes for each post. It adds many new worded points to subject just skimming over the key words. Im sorry I let the English creative writing student take over in me.