M16 burst

LiquidSnake · Post by **LiquidSnake** » 2006-12-17 01:58

i dont know right but I think I'm not alone when I say, that the M16 burst sux. But this should not be noobieboobie thread so I'll bring you my suggestion

Somewhere I read that the burst mode is nothing else than an automatic mode which fires a maximum of 3 bullets. That means that u can still shoot single bullets (when your gun is in burst mode)... but not more than 3 in a row. I also read that if u shoot once u have only two bullets left for a burst. After you shot those 2 bullets wich were left, a new burst-cycle begins. know what I mean?
I think this would solve the problem of the M16. i sucked so often because i had to switch from burst to single or because i just didnt hit anything with burst on long distances.

I know you hear that phrase every day but i gotta say it... I think this could increase the realism of PR AND increase fun of US-guys.
Umm yea i forgot something: Is that even possible?

Great mod guys keep goin Greetins from Switzerland with cows, cheese and chocolate xD

Viper5 · Post by **Viper5** » 2006-12-17 02:07

Burst mode for an M16A4/A2 works like this-

You pull the trigger once, 3 bullets come out.

WNxKenwayy · Post by **WNxKenwayy** » 2006-12-17 02:26

Burst mode works like this in Real world combat --
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No one uses it. It's pretty much pointless to have on a rifle, the army is just so crappy at replacing weapon systems it will take forever to change it. The new xm-8 was supposed to have a full auto as well as burst/semi.

LiquidSnake · Post by **LiquidSnake** » 2006-12-17 02:33

Nope that's not how it works....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M16_rifle

wikipedia sais: "The trigger group does not reset when the trigger is released. If the user releases the trigger between the second and third round of the burst, for example, the next trigger pull would only result in a single shot."

Post by **GeZe** » 2006-12-17 03:10

Go to the control page and map the alt key for your main weapon (main key is 3) to your middle mouse button (your scroll wheel click) aka mouse button two. This way you can easily switch modes, just click, also if you are throwing a grenade, you can easily go back to your main weapon.

Downtown_two · Post by **Downtown_two** » 2006-12-17 11:20

Thing is, as handy as Wiki is, its the also the worst source of ACCURATE information. People anywhere, anytime can jump in and write a load of **** and have it published without any screening process. Do a bit of research with wiki then back it up with other sources.

Dtrich-]X[ · Post by **Dtrich-]X[** » 2006-12-17 13:36

LiquidSnake wrote:Nope that's not how it works....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M16_rifle

wikipedia sais: "The trigger group does not reset when the trigger is released. If the user releases the trigger between the second and third round of the burst, for example, the next trigger pull would only result in a single shot."

thats wrong. Never once have a fired a m16 in real life and it not shot three rounds when it was on burst. the only time it wouldnt is if you have 2 bullets left in your magazine (because you fired a single shot somewhere before switching to three round burst) then it would just fire those 2 bullets and your bolt will lock to the rear

Mekstizzle · Post by **Mekstizzle** » 2006-12-17 13:51

To anyone that's fired one in burst/auto in real life. Does it fire @ 900RPM or 600RPM? Becuase in-game it's 600...

Also the AK101 has a RoF of like 1RPM.

LiquidSnake · Post by **LiquidSnake** » 2006-12-17 15:48

Damn... I found that: http://illumin.usc.edu/article.php?articleID=65&page=2

Quote: "When the selector switch is set to "burst," the control cam is rotated to a position that causes the automatic sear disconnector to disengage and the SAD to engage. A counter cam with three notches is at the base of the hammer. Two notches are high enough to prevent the SAD from hooking to the hammer, but on the third notch the burst ratchet disconnector is lowered so the SAD clips onto the hook of the hammer. Therefore, three rounds are fired in succession when the trigger is pulled."

Looks like there's nothing like "release the trigger before the third bullet was fired to stop the burst"

Thread can get closed. Btw you devs have created a fuckn insane mod xD

Preston · Post by **Preston** » 2006-12-17 18:07

LOL, as fast as the three rounds fire anyways i'd like to see someone release the trigger fast enough to only fire one or two!!!!

your info is wrong bro. sorry

Preston

Mekstizzle · Post by **Mekstizzle** » 2006-12-17 18:53

Preston wrote:LOL, as fast as the three rounds fire anyways i'd like to see someone release the trigger fast enough to only fire one or two!!!!

your info is wrong bro. sorry

Preston

That's the thing, according to PR it's only 600RPM so you could. The thing is, just what is the rate of fire for an M16A2/A4?

Can someone just answer that question please. I've seenw websites say 700-900RPM but you guys don't like websites unless it's some random one nobody has ever herd of that fits what you want to see, so let's just keep it to personal experience.

Post by **KingofCamelot** » 2006-12-17 19:28

Mekstizzle wrote:To anyone that's fired one in burst/auto in real life. Does it fire @ 900RPM or 600RPM? Becuase in-game it's 600...

I don't know where you got 600 RPM from for in-game, but the M16A2 in PR fires at 900 RPM, and always has as far as I know.

Preston · Post by **Preston** » 2006-12-17 21:33

Mekstizzle wrote:That's the thing, according to PR it's only 600RPM so you could. The thing is, just what is the rate of fire for an M16A2/A4?

Can someone just answer that question please. I've seenw websites say 700-900RPM but you guys don't like websites unless it's some random one nobody has ever herd of that fits what you want to see, so let's just keep it to personal experience.

many factors are involved, how many round the weapon has fired in its life. how many it has fired in the last few min. How hot the weapon is at the time. The grade of ammo being fired. The mode in which you are firing.

If you are in single shot, and set up with some sort of belt fed system, and just fired as fast as you can, you might get off 1-2 round per sec. Some experts like guys who shoot for S&W can fired 5-6 round per sec. But no average person can do that. So in single shot average would be about 90 rounds.

If your in burst obviously that number goes up.

And it the models that have auto it would go up again. According to MSgt. Thompson, buddy who is a trainer in S.F. told me the manual says 600-900 in full auto. Assuming you could reload fast enough and the weapon didn't get hot.

And you seriously think (assuming the weapon could, which it cant) that in burst mode, you could pull the trigger, then release the trigger fast enough before all three rounds fired, so that only 1-2 round fired and not three ????????????????

Xizor · Post by **Xizor** » 2006-12-17 21:39

I love it when these threads turn into arguments where walts are just posting links to websites talking about the facts. These questions can be answered simply and quickly: by kindly asking many of the past and present members of various armies who are on this forum. You look silly if you use Wikipedia to prove a point and then be wrong!

I think forum members who are serving or have served should have a way of being identified to solve disputes like this, there are lots of kids reading up on cool real life stuff they want in game, that is often taken out of context and thus not what they think it is making threads about stuff like that, and there's always space for a vet to come in and solve it.

Anyway, rant over!

Preston · Post by **Preston** » 2006-12-17 21:47

Xizor wrote:I love it when these threads turn into arguments where walts are just posting links to websites talking about the facts. These questions can be answered simply and quickly: by kindly asking many of the past and present members of various armies who are on this forum. You look silly if you use Wikipedia to prove a point and then be wrong!

I think forum members who are serving or have served should have a way of being identified to solve disputes like this, there are lots of kids reading up on cool real life stuff they want in game, that is often taken out of context and thus not what they think it is making threads about stuff like that, and there's always space for a vet to come in and solve it.

Anyway, rant over!

uhhh thats why i answered ....... BTW .... what is a "walt" LOL!!

LiquidSnake · Post by **LiquidSnake** » 2006-12-17 22:27

oh damn! I made an impossible suggestion!!! The world is going to explode!!! The judgement day is comin! AARMAAAGEDDDOOOOON /sarcasm -.-

Mekstizzle · Post by **Mekstizzle** » 2006-12-17 22:34

'[R-DEV wrote:KingofCamelot']I don't know where you got 600 RPM from for in-game, but the M16A2 in PR fires at 900 RPM, and always has as far as I know.

I could swear it's 600RPM, becuase it fires much more slowly than in vBF2. Cmon, honestly...just see...it can't be that they're the same, unless the sound has been changed and it's just a sound of it firing @ 600RPM whereas it's actually firing @ 900RPM. Like before patch 1.3 the P90 in vBF2 had an RPM of 900 but had a sound of 600RPM, then in 1.3 they changed the sound to the correct RPM and only then did everyone realise that the RPM was changed. Or something like that, i might have got the patch numbers wrong, there's been so many.

??:

Preston ty for the answer.

Post by **KingofCamelot** » 2006-12-18 00:15

Mekstizzle wrote:I could swear it's 600RPM, becuase it fires much more slowly than in vBF2. Cmon, honestly...just see...it can't be that they're the same, unless the sound has been changed and it's just a sound of it firing @ 600RPM whereas it's actually firing @ 900RPM. Like before patch 1.3 the P90 in vBF2 had an RPM of 900 but had a sound of 600RPM, then in 1.3 they changed the sound to the correct RPM and only then did everyone realise that the RPM was changed. Or something like that, i might have got the patch numbers wrong, there's been so many. ??:

Preston ty for the answer.

Well, I can tell you code-wise that it is firing at 900 RPM. If you have a problem with the sound, take it up with sofad.

{XG} non_compliance · Post by **{XG} non_compliance** » 2006-12-18 15:53

I can't believe that people don't like the 3 rd burst. I -never- use single shot. In burst, even at a long distance, you have a much better chance of hitting with 3 rds than one. I take people out at HUGE distances with 3 rd burst all the time. I love the 3 rd burst.

Post by **Bob_Marley** » 2006-12-18 16:05

True, but with a fully automatic weapon it is still easy to fire in bursts while retaining the option of full auto for room clearing and such. Of course the ideal solution is a 4 position trigger group like that of various H&K weapons, the Type-89, etc...