Snipers ruin the game.

[Crylink]

Does anyone else feel like snipers and to a lesser extent marksmen ruin the game's experience?
I know real life has snipers but in a 50vs50 game where you have so many things that can kill the "little man" like tanks ,IFVs, bombers, etc. do we really need snipers?

the main issue is you cant see the bugger and even if you're looking directly at him.
you cant even kill or suppress him reliably because of the range.

for example if you play on goose green the amount of kills snipers get is 15+ per sniper.
on the Falklands map its even worse , snipers dominate everything that moves, Imagine how much more fun that map would be without snipers.

can anyone here who sides with snipers here tell me how they contribute to the game?

[robert357]

Snipers that have high number of kills basically tells that other team have quite a lot lonewolfs or there is lack of communication. Rarely it depends of the map (e.g. Falklands).

However I'd like to see some layouts with and without sniper or even marksman kits. For example night layouts and some layouts where both factions have only iron sights. Just for the sake for some variety.

[saXoni]

Snipers, at least the ones who use it effectively, contribute by killing enemies. Kills matter, especially in rounds where both teams have similar flag caps and vehicle losses.

Killing people on TOW and AA is useful for armor and air, and gives them the opportunity to hit an area with less risk.

If you cannot kill it, leave it alone or it will kill you

When you can't kill him, reliably suppress him or even see him you shouldn't be looking directly at him. In situations where you're forced to move out of cover there are ways to reduce his line of sight, e.g. smoke.

Robert is on to something. If anything is ruining the game it's critically wounded players' inability to wait more than 30 seconds for a revive, and medics' inability to take their time to properly secure an area before reviving.

[Nightingale]

I wouldn't say that sniper kits are ruining the game, especially on those urban maps.

But I do think that gameplay would improve if the game limited it to 1 sniper kit per team instead of 2.

[labonte95]

Definitely frustrating to die to a sniper that is only 1 pixel to you. But I don't think it ruins the game. They are extremely limited and it's pretty rare to see a sniper make a difference in a match.

[Grump/Gump.45]

There is only 2 sniper kits and it provides the realism element. Get a crate and throw tons of smokes. Have your sound effects up to 100% so you can hear his direction. Narrow him down.

To make the sniping in PR more difficult I do wish there was a wind element to every bullet seeing how far it misses which side of your body it landed gives you wind direction and how much that caliber was pushed off course for wind speed.

Choppers make the tree leaves blow in the wind so I know its possible to add environmental wind, some maps when completely silent have wind noises so we have more realism potential. if you need to estimate wind gusts from 5-20 MPH look at how fast the leaves move, how far and which direction the branches bend, smoke/dust/flags block. Give this effect to smoke, dust trails from vehicles, bush edges, flags, map visual dust.

Of course as the DEVs did trajectory starting with tanks/APCs, then did the HMGs, I assume small arms is coming next, but that is a lot of weapons and takes a lot more time. There is already drop but real data needs to be input, this will reduce first shot accuracy as he dials in the range.

[Leshy]

It's always funny...
Squad leaders say "No snipers! They're useless to our squad!"

Then 10 minutes later "Damn, 1 enemy sniper has our 2 whole squads pinned down."

Your whole complaint of snipers being unfair to regular infantry soldiers... well that's reality. And this is "Project Reality". Don't like snipers getting 15+ kills? How about 505 kills:

[SemlerPDX]