MEC Weaponry

robbo · Post by **robbo** » 2006-12-20 11:45

Man i love those G3A4s

i think they should make their way into PR for the Medic or Engy

KP · Post by KP » 2006-12-20 12:39

Okay, first of all, I think the Devs should be consentrating on fixing up what we already have instead of putting in new stuff.

But... I think this subject is both fun and fascinating, so I'll try to contribute:

1. The MEC is a fictional force, so it's unrealistic no matter what we give them.

2. The MEC are not Russian or a Russian armed OPFOR. They are a Middle Eastern Coalition, who have given contracts to various producers of weapons/vehicles to build up their military. Therefore, weapons do not have to come from the ME/Russia/Germany/whatever only. Meaning that the "G3 is produced in the ME" argument is not really valid (athough I've used it on several occations). So Russian manufacturers (not Mother Russia herself, mind you) may build the helicopters and tanks, bacause they're good at it, but someone else may produce the weapons for infantry. This producer may be local to the ME, or foreign.

3. An army usually standardizes. The G3 is good from this point of view, as it (and it's variants) can be used for almost any role. Assault rifle. You can fit a GL. The MSG90 (which is almost identical to the G3) is a good DM rifle. The currently used HK53 is basically a scaled down, more compact version of the G3.

4. What sort of fighting is this army intending to do? The ME largely consists of deserts. Flat, open areas. Logically, the MEC would prepare to fight in the deserts, and would therefor be equipped with accurate, powerful, long range weapons. The AK series of weapons (at least the older ones) are no such thing. A G3 is. There are other weapons that are, too, of course, but this discussion is largely about G3 vs. AK.

5. Reliability. The old AKs were known for their reliability. And the newer ones are probably just as good, you may argue. However, anyone in the military knows that weapon maintenance is vital. And the MEC is a modern army, and should be no worse than any Western counterpart. As such, reliability isn't really an issue. Just look at the M16s used in the ME. They work, don't they? And so will any AK or G3.

I think that was all I wanted to say... I'll probably add some more later, though...

{XG} non_compliance · Post by **{XG} non_compliance** » 2006-12-20 13:10

I don't see why there isn't any "unlock" type weapons... so that you can somewhat customize your loadout... seems to me that you should beable to pick what primary weapon you have...at least for some classes on some maps...

SGT.Collado · Post by **SGT.Collado** » 2006-12-20 14:01

YoJimbO wrote:Is it me or did you just contradict yourself? Both those weapons were in Vietnam I believe? I agree though the G3 I hate it, if anything it's the sound that does it, it just sounds total pox, not a bad weapon exactly, it's just not nice to use... Long range is pretty hard with those sights to be honest though...

Well I didn't contradict myself, I just said that the G3 is an OLD weapon. If anything, the MEC soldiers should be using AK-74SU, or RPKs, or AK-100 series.

Top_Cat_AxJnAt · Post by **Top_Cat_AxJnAt** » 2006-12-20 14:07

I like my overpowered round, so take your 5.56 rounds some where else, possibly to the Chinese!

sort of jking, well not really, i love the G3 cos it is different, so many things in PR are the same, standadized ext. (for realism reasons e.g lots of M16) might as well make the odd thing you can, realisticaly, different!

KP · Post by KP » 2006-12-20 14:14

SGT.Collado wrote:Well I didn't contradict myself, I just said that the G3 is an OLD weapon. If anything, the MEC soldiers should be using AK-74SU, or RPKs, or AK-100 series.

You did contradict yourself... You complained that the G3 is an OLD weapon, then suggested both the AK-74SU (AK-74 is from 1974) and the RPK, which was officially replaced in the Soviet military by the RPK-74 in the late '70s. So they are both OLD weapons...

Thunder · Post by **Thunder** » 2006-12-20 14:48

i dont like the G3 and honestly it rather see a more diverse MEC,

for example some maps you would see their crack armored companies armed with modern AK's (101's or 107's) and maybe spec ops armed with P90's

then other maps see the reseve divisions armed with AK74's or 47's

also they dont even have to have tanks, there are cheaper alturnatives to modern tanks in the form of the IFV's i think the british program is called FLEK and the US have the stryker program.

but any force directly oposed to the US is gonna be bugeting for a stupiedly strong air defence.

robbo · Post by **robbo** » 2006-12-20 15:11

I thought the Brit AFV/IFV thing was called FRES
http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?imgur ... l%26sa%3DG

http://www.generaldynamics.uk.com/solutions/fres.html

looks pretty swarve

Post by **bosco_** » 2006-12-20 15:14

I like the G3, though it's kinda hard to hit on distances over 30 meters when you don't use single rounds.
But in cqb, it rocks.

robbo · Post by **robbo** » 2006-12-20 17:09

Yweah i agree. The problem that you cant engage targets at long range is due to the fat sightsplease DEVs thin these on ALL weapons

00SoldierofFortune00 · Post by **00SoldierofFortune00** » 2006-12-20 20:48

KP wrote:Okay, first of all, I think the Devs should be consentrating on fixing up what we already have instead of putting in new stuff.

But... I think this subject is both fun and fascinating, so I'll try to contribute:

1. The MEC is a fictional force, so it's unrealistic no matter what we give them.

2. The MEC are not Russian or a Russian armed OPFOR. They are a Middle Eastern Coalition, who have given contracts to various producers of weapons/vehicles to build up their military. Therefore, weapons do not have to come from the ME/Russia/Germany/whatever only. Meaning that the "G3 is produced in the ME" argument is not really valid (athough I've used it on several occations). So Russian manufacturers (not Mother Russia herself, mind you) may build the helicopters and tanks, bacause they're good at it, but someone else may produce the weapons for infantry. This producer may be local to the ME, or foreign.

3. An army usually standardizes. The G3 is good from this point of view, as it (and it's variants) can be used for almost any role. Assault rifle. You can fit a GL. The MSG90 (which is almost identical to the G3) is a good DM rifle. The currently used HK53 is basically a scaled down, more compact version of the G3.

4. What sort of fighting is this army intending to do? The ME largely consists of deserts. Flat, open areas. Logically, the MEC would prepare to fight in the deserts, and would therefor be equipped with accurate, powerful, long range weapons. The AK series of weapons (at least the older ones) are no such thing. A G3 is. There are other weapons that are, too, of course, but this discussion is largely about G3 vs. AK.

5. Reliability. The old AKs were known for their reliability. And the newer ones are probably just as good, you may argue. However, anyone in the military knows that weapon maintenance is vital. And the MEC is a modern army, and should be no worse than any Western counterpart. As such, reliability isn't really an issue. Just look at the M16s used in the ME. They work, don't they? And so will any AK or G3.

I think that was all I wanted to say... I'll probably add some more later, though...

Good post. Though the use of ammo in the region is a valid point. I don't see the unwesternized Middle Eastern Coalition using any type of 5.56 ammo except for their special forces because it just doesn't seem that realistic(even for the fictional MEC). The AK100 series just doesn't fit well or the 5.45ammunition.

It seems like the East generally sticks with the harder hitting and bigger ammunition while the Eastern and NATO countries go with the 5.56. the exception to that is China, but China is also getting more and more westernized and their economy and way of thinking is turning to the West as well.

The only complaints I have about the MEC weapons really are that the standard MG should really be the RPK instead of the G3 Machinegun variant.

Also, I would like to see a G3 variant as a choice for the sniper rifle instead of the Dragunov for example.

I think they already know about the range issue with the G3, so the DEVs should have that sorted out by next release. Also, don't forget that the recoil is going back to .32, so things should be a lot different.

Thunder · Post by **Thunder** » 2006-12-20 21:15

00SoldierofFortune00 wrote:Good post. Though the use of ammo in the region is a valid point. I don't see the unwesternized Middle Eastern Coalition using any type of 5.56 ammo except for their special forces because it just doesn't seem that realistic(even for the fictional MEC). The AK100 series just doesn't fit well or the 5.45ammunition.

the AK107 fires a 7.62 round. and i cant see the logic of why a fictional force not having a certian weapon or type of calibre weapon, theres no back story to disprove or support either claim, for all we know the MEC could have been funded by the US and granted various weapon licences, then had a coo and taken over by a pro-anti US group

$kelet0r · Post by **$kelet0r** » 2006-12-20 21:21

fyi there is a tonne of soviet 5.45mm ammo in the Middle East - it's what the AK74 series uses and there are millions of those

mammikoura · Post by **mammikoura** » 2006-12-20 21:39

'[5NFSO wrote:Thunder']the AK107 fires a 7.62 round.

I'm pretty sure it uses the 5.45 x 39 mm round. You can prove me wrong if you want to.

Eddie Baker · Post by **Eddie Baker** » 2006-12-20 21:41

$kelet0r wrote:fyi there is a tonne of soviet 5.45mm ammo in the Middle East - it's what the AK74 series uses and there are millions of those

Yes, but most of the MidEast states who used the AK never made the 5.45mm switch, since they were already producing their own AKM variants and 7.62mm ammunition.

Thunder · Post by **Thunder** » 2006-12-20 21:46

mammikoura wrote:I'm pretty sure it uses the 5.45 x 39 mm round. You can prove me wrong if you want to.

yes sorry its the 104/103 that fires the 7.62

00SoldierofFortune00 · Post by **00SoldierofFortune00** » 2006-12-21 02:32

'[R-DEV wrote:Eddie Baker']Yes, but most of the MidEast states who used the AK never made the 5.45mm switch, since they were already producing their own AKM variants and 7.62mm ammunition.

Just like I stated before. And yea, check world guns for the ammunition of the AK100 series. And sure, there is no back story, but you also have to have limits on what they can have and also have it realistic because this is PR afterall, so something like the G36 etc. is just not believable.