Weapons Default to auto/burst instead of single fire

tedman109 · Post by **tedman109** » 2006-12-21 22:08

Dunno if anyone else has been annoyed with this, it really isnt a huge issue, but when you are spawning into a dangerous area (like say you are getting baseraped or whatnot) I know iv either been killed because I tried to take down a spec ops with an AK on single round 1 second after I spawn or I get shot when im switching to auto as soon as I spawn. If its a quick fix it would be nice, but if its gonna be a pain forget about it.

wpgcivic · Post by **wpgcivic** » 2006-12-21 22:09

there is a reason why its started at single, and if you are being baseraped then goto a different spawn point

.:iGi:. Eggenberg4Ever · Post by **.:iGi:. Eggenberg4Ever** » 2006-12-21 22:13

Just remember to hit that weapon-mode key extra quick: problem solved.

Wasteland · Post by **Wasteland** » 2006-12-21 22:16

I hear you man, but this is mostly because the full auto is way overpowered across the board in .4... this will be fixed, as I understand it. In the meantime, map the "3" key to your mouse wheel button. I forget who suggested that, but it was some damn good advice.

Post by **fuzzhead** » 2006-12-21 22:18

yea if your spawning into a dangerous area, its your playstyle, not the weapon select fire, thats the problem IMO

.:iGi:. Eggenberg4Ever · Post by **.:iGi:. Eggenberg4Ever** » 2006-12-21 22:30

Or get a gaming keyboard from Santa: bind your hot-keys to that.

Wasteland · Post by **Wasteland** » 2006-12-21 22:43

'[R-CON wrote:fuzzhead']yea if your spawning into a dangerous area, its your playstyle, not the weapon select fire, thats the problem IMO

This is a good point. If you're being spawn killed, don't spawn there. Base raping and spawn killing are two very different things. If you're trying to cap a flag and you've cleared an area, you're going to be focused on spawn points while you wait for the flag to come down. Otherwise you'd be an idiot. Spawn killing is a perfectly acceptable tool for capping a base IMO.

dunkellic · Post by **dunkellic** » 2006-12-21 23:14

there is a reason why its started at single, and if you are being baseraped then goto a different spawn point

yea if your spawning into a dangerous area, its your playstyle, not the weapon select fire, thats the problem IMO

i like how people say that, but you´ve ever considered that spawning at the point that is being attacked may sometimes be crucial for succes?
just take a breakthrough map like al fallujah, if you go like "damn, that point is under attack - screw that im not spawning there" you´ve basically already lost as defender - often it is of much more use to spawn directly into the battle and support your squad/team than spawning far away and then rush to help them only to find that they are long dead (you would actually notice how they´d die but well...)

Post by **fuzzhead** » 2006-12-21 23:19

OR

having your squad leader in a safe area while you spawn in???

maybe fallujah is an exception... but I never find its worthwhile to spawn into the firefight.. maybe its just me but I think its really lame to spawn on top of somebody capping the flag and kill them.... I think moments like these KILL PR for me, and make me want to leave the game...

blud · Post by **blud** » 2006-12-22 00:29

lol, I'll be offended if eggman *doesn't* lock this thread the moment he sees it like he did when I started the exact same thread a while ago

I am definitely in the 'start-with-auto' camp. I ran a poll on the Project Reality League site, and surprisingly it is split down the middle (I thought way more people would vote for auto).

54% of the people in the poll wanted Auto, and 46% wanted Single.

In my opinion having half of the people wanting to switch it to Single from Auto (as it was switched when 0.4 came out) isn't nearly enough people to warrant switching it. But it is not the dev's goal to simply please the audience. If it was they'd only be able to please half the people right now anyways (on this issue of auto/single).

If 90+% of people wanted auto, then I would bug the devs to switch it back, but since half the people inexplicably want it on single, I guess let them have their single. I think it's retarded, but whatever.

One thing to think about though, is to remember back to how bad the auto was on the guns in 0.32. Back then you would always switch to Single every time you spawned. So if 0.41 goes back to those kind of recoils, then you're going to want to start on Single anyways...

tedman109 · Post by **tedman109** » 2006-12-22 01:12

ok, and I agree with the not spawning into a dangerous situation if at all possible. and yes, when Im out in the field I generally use single shot for long/medium ranges. I also understand how to switch from single to burst/auto. But sometimes you cant spawn somewhere where it isnt hostile and that half second it takes to switch can easily get you killed if they are indeed concentrating on spawn points (as anyone would do). If you are spawning in a peaceful area, its not a huge deal to switch from auto to single. where as it can mean death to switch from single to auto in a hot zone. I really dont see the issue as a 'reality' thing, but indeed, if you were getting dropped off in a hot lz you would have your choice before you landed on single/auto and wouldnt have to decide when you hit the ground.

Also a side question, if you have a weapon on auto (say an ak) and are firing single shots, is it as accurate as on single fire or does switching to single fire give you an inherent accuracy bonus?

Post by **KingofCamelot** » 2006-12-22 01:20

'[PIT wrote:BludShoT']In my opinion having half of the people wanting to switch it to Single from Auto (as it was switched when 0.4 came out) isn't nearly enough people to warrant switching it. But it is not the dev's goal to simply please the audience. If it was they'd only be able to please half the people right now anyways (on this issue of auto/single).

We're going on the basis that most guns go safety, single, then auto, and most of the time soldiers are encouraged to use single shot. We didn't change it because we woke up feeling like that one day.

Wasteland · Post by **Wasteland** » 2006-12-22 01:38

Tedman, when .41 comes out, and automatic recoil is brought up again, you'll want it on single shot.

Post by **fuzzhead** » 2006-12-22 02:05

Id prefer if AK47/AK101 is FULL, then SEMI..... seeing as how this is what its like in real life...

blud · Post by **blud** » 2006-12-22 08:38

'[R-DEV wrote:KingofCamelot']We're going on the basis that most guns go safety, single, then auto, and most of the time soldiers are encouraged to use single shot. We didn't change it because we woke up feeling like that one day.

You also didn't wake up one day and wonder what the majority of players wanted. You woke up and decided you wanted to make it realistic regardless of anything else. I know that you didn't do it just because you woke up feeling like it for no reason, that was kind of my point.

Post by **eggman** » 2006-12-22 08:59

locked

no point discussing it.... it's not gonna change, tho the AK should probably go the way of realism... it's a slight usability issue wrt consistency.

let me put it another way..... we work on this for free. the majority of the devs get annoyed with constantly having to set the weapon to single shot on spawn. so uh... that's the price you pay for the mod.