quick update on v0.41

.:iGi:.Dr.DiESEL · Post by **.:iGi:.Dr.DiESEL** » 2006-12-23 00:15

any chance to power up the machine gun of the littlebird and the frogfoot ? they are far too weak imho.

Post by **Rhino** » 2006-12-23 00:17

.:iGi:.Dr.DiESEL wrote:any chance to power up the machine gun of the littlebird and the frogfoot ? they are far too weak imho.

read my last post.....

.:iGi:.Dr.DiESEL · Post by **.:iGi:.Dr.DiESEL** » 2006-12-23 00:23

sry and thx .. good to see u are workin on that

Dtrich-]X[ · Post by **Dtrich-]X[** » 2006-12-23 00:46

00SoldierofFortune00 wrote:Will we see this happen?

- set recoil to 0.32 levels (with some minor tweaks to account for the new weapon types) - done

And I don't see what the big deal about the M4 are. Return it to its original settings. The gun was perfect pre .4 because it was good for close range, but suffered at longer ranges which mirrored real life.

mirrored real life.. lmfao the m4 with a optical site on it is good for well over 400 meters ACCURATE. If you know anything about trajectory. Whoever told you the M4 suffered at long range is a retard. I carried around a m4 with optics and a 203 launcher on it for 5 years. And id trade NO OTHER gun for it. Saved my life in iraq at over 400 meters.

00SoldierofFortune00 · Post by **00SoldierofFortune00** » 2006-12-23 00:59

'Dtrich- wrote:X[']mirrored real life.. lmfao the m4 with a optical site on it is good for well over 400 meters ACCURATE. If you know anything about trajectory. Whoever told you the M4 suffered at long range is a retard. I carried around a m4 with optics and a 203 launcher on it for 5 years. And id trade NO OTHER gun for it. Saved my life in iraq at over 400 meters.

I mean compared to the M16 in terms of accuracy and mirroring the relationship as much as it possible can in relation to real life. The M16 is suppose to be more accurate then the M4, but I guess you could genuinely answer that question.

Right now, besides the chain gun firing that is the M4, both are about the same accuracy, but isn't the M16 suppose to be effective up to 550+ meters and the M4 up to 360-400+ meters?

But as it is right now, you can take a pop shot at someone half way across the map and get them. Also, the *sight* on the M4 is a red dot sight, so it doesn't have any zoom or anything, but it can still be that good for long ranges?

The original M4 was perfect.

WNxKenwayy · Post by **WNxKenwayy** » 2006-12-23 01:06

The effective range of a M4 on a point target is 400m, area target 500m. M16 is 500m for point target, 600m for area.

In real world, especialy in today's enviroment of Iraq, you aren't going to be getting in any engagements at those ranges with small arms. The m4 is just as accurate as the m16 for all intents and purposes.

Dtrich-]X[ · Post by **Dtrich-]X[** » 2006-12-23 01:13

WNxKenwayy wrote:The effective range of a M4 on a point target is 400m, area target 500m. M16 is 500m for point target, 600m for area.

In real world, especialy in today's enviroment of Iraq, you aren't going to be getting in any engagements at those ranges with small arms. The m4 is just as accurate as the m16 for all intents and purposes.

Well depends on where you are in iraq lol. I was in a Ranger unit attached to 3rd armor near the syrian border and we had plenty of engagements under those conditions. Granted we had brads that did most of the work but eh. Not many people can even see effectively at 600 meters let alone fire a weapon at iron sights to one.

WNxKenwayy · Post by **WNxKenwayy** » 2006-12-23 01:56

'Dtrich- wrote:X[']Well depends on where you are in iraq lol. I was in a Ranger unit attached to 3rd armor near the syrian border and we had plenty of engagements under those conditions. Granted we had brads that did most of the work but eh. Not many people can even see effectively at 600 meters let alone fire a weapon at iron sights to one.

Yeah we were up in Tal Afar for a little bit (out of FoB Nimur) near the end of our tour, patrol the border a few times but nothing more than illegal sheep herders (not kidding). Those numbers are straight out of the latest TM for the m4/m16, not saying that are at all practical. Anything 300m+ overthere we just moved in closer, opened up with the big guns (M240/M2) or called in the air. Plus in game 300m is quite a bit different than IRL.

Dtrich-]X[ · Post by **Dtrich-]X[** » 2006-12-23 02:08

On our initial push in 2003 we moved to and took al-ahsad to al-qaim about 10 miles southwest of the syrian border. fun times. Matter of fact there is a chicken farmer out there pretty pissed at my squad lol we took all his hens and chickens and had us a fine feast. lmfao

Post by **GeZe** » 2006-12-23 02:12

'Dtrich- wrote:X[']we took all his hens and chickens and had us a fine feast. lmfao

That's a horrible thing to do, that was his lively hood, and you just went in and destroyed it.

Anyways, back on topic,
Please, don't go back all the way to .32 recoil, it was too much! Please! A balance in between, but don't go all the way back.

Dtrich-]X[ · Post by **Dtrich-]X[** » 2006-12-23 04:22

dude we were starving i could care less about haji... They sent us there and gave us 1 bottle of water a day for 3 months and a mre and sometimes some t rats.. Sorry but hungry people do things that you might call mean whatever. Blame bush didnt budget enough money for his troops to eat.

Post by **eggman** » 2006-12-23 04:33

please bring this back on topic.

blud · Post by **blud** » 2006-12-23 04:33

'[R-CON wrote:fuzzhead']if you love PR and want to help get this release out faster, join the testers!!!

***NOTE: freeloaders and people who just want a sneak peak need not apply.

I applied a bit ago, but I haven't heard anything? I'm mainly interested in 16 man maps but I'm sure I'd have time to help test other things too.

WNxKenwayy · Post by **WNxKenwayy** » 2006-12-23 05:07

Um, how do we get to be testers? I'd loooove the chance to get some input "on the ground floor" so to speak. I lack any programing/modding knowledge so maybe I'm not qualified.

Shining Arcanine · Post by **Shining Arcanine** » 2006-12-23 05:30

Top _Cat the great wrote:PLEase dont RAISE single SHOT RECOIL TO MUCH!!!!!! I have heard from many army peeps that single shot should be at .4 levels!!!!!1

Single shot SHOULD BE INCOURAGED AND AND firefights ARE UP AT AN ALL TIME HIGH, becuase people can actually lay down supressive fire more easily ADN IF YOU Run from cover, a player with single shot has a BETTER chance of getting you . THEREFORE - USE COVER AND SUPRESS.

KEEP SINGLE SHOT RECOIL LOW PLEASE

sorry about that, but i feel it is of vital importance to the contiued improvement of pr GAMEPLAY! - nothing else, no ulterea MOTIVES just plain old gameplay = supress and flank tactics ++++ UP

I agree, single shot needs to stay the same.

Also, America's Army has the M16 burst mode as being about as accurate as it is PR. Please do not lower the accuracy.

'Dtrich- wrote:X[']On our initial push in 2003 we moved to and took al-ahsad to al-qaim about 10 miles southwest of the syrian border. fun times. Matter of fact there is a chicken farmer out there pretty pissed at my squad lol we took all his hens and chickens and had us a fine feast. lmfao

Please tell us that you compensated him for the commandeering of his chickens.

causticbeat · Post by **causticbeat** » 2006-12-23 06:50

the earlier ghost recon games are a testament to why super accurate guns make better gameplay

Fifty · Post by **Fifty** » 2006-12-25 19:26

PRM and Ghost Recon differ a lot from each other in many ways...

Anyways, I have full confidence in the devs doing something good with the accuracy, especially the M4 and support weapons. And I really look forward to playing PRM again after the 0.5 release.