Squad Leader Question

banditdog_1 · Post by **banditdog_1** » 2006-12-29 20:19

Hi everybody.
I am **** at games but like to play! I especially like this mod - just how BF2 should be.
I've said I'm ****, I know I'm **** - anyone see's me play will say, "jesus, he's ****"

However, I always want to play in a squad so I always join one. Lately though, when I join and am say number 5 in the squad for some reason I seem to all of a sudden be the squad leader!

Let me tell you - this is generally not good for everyones health! So why is this? I then have to keep leaving and then joining another squad? It seems to be happining alot.

Am I missing somehting here? Any advice greatly received. All I want to do is follow and learn.
Many thanks

.:iGi:. Eggenberg4Ever · Post by **.:iGi:. Eggenberg4Ever** » 2006-12-29 21:49

Maybe the other members have the same idea as you & jump out/in the squad ? This would effectively bump you up the pecking order so that you're the SL.
To Hell with it: live with the responsibility & be the SL. Learn hands-on. What's the worst that could happen? Most guys would give you a fair chance until they jumped squads if you screwed up once too often.

mammikoura · Post by **mammikoura** » 2006-12-29 21:50

well the reason is because the current SL leaves the squad, then someone else from the squad automatically becomes the leader. And then if they don't want to leave they leave and rejoin, making the next guy the SL.

Mekstizzle · Post by **Mekstizzle** » 2006-12-29 22:18

lol same thing happens to me. Last thing i want is some responsibility getting in the way of my mindless killing!

And i don't mean that in a sarcastic way

Top_Cat_AxJnAt · Post by **Top_Cat_AxJnAt** » 2006-12-29 22:45

I generaly relish the optunity to be SL, this however is after playing the map for awhile (knowing flag cap order, strait rout and then the ways around) and ofcourse understanding the kits and gametype. But this really only takes a few weeks.

I wont deny, being an SL is not easy but the huge buzz you get from winning is totaly unequaled for you took the repsonsiblity and the accepted challenge and met it using every inch or your brain and wits.

I would love to know, from any player who feel unable to be SL, what is it exactly that they feel is stopping them?????/

Pantera · Post by **Pantera** » 2006-12-29 23:25

Top _Cat the great wrote: I would love to know, from any player who feel unable to be SL, what is it exactly that they feel is stopping them?????/

Im not a good SL, i am tactically minded and when i do become SL (once in a full moon) i try to flank the enemy, but im not SL much cause i DIE too many times, and people dont seem to ... do what what i ask them to do, like, i tell someone to go against the wall, instead of that the guy just runs into the building and shoots everything and dies....but when its the perfect squad i tend to screw up and get killed all the time.

I also dont like the fact that when i am SL no one in my squad (Except the occasional few) spawn on me and stay in my position, ie. they spawn on me then turn around and run to the guy that killed em. THIS KINDA **** ALWAYS HAPPENS TO ME WHEN I AM SL So i choose not to be.

Hope that helps ?

.:iGi:. Eggenberg4Ever · Post by **.:iGi:. Eggenberg4Ever** » 2006-12-29 23:26

Sorry banditdog_1: welcome to Reality.
How rude of me not to have said that when answering your 1st post.

Top_Cat_AxJnAt · Post by **Top_Cat_AxJnAt** » 2006-12-29 23:40

ADVISE TO ALL PLAYER WHO WANT To CONTROL THERE SQUAD:

1) USE CAPS as i am presently doing to attract attention
2) NAME THE OBJECTIVE THE ROUT TO REACH IT e.g: "Objective: Take Docks How: fly by heli to the far West than land in the desert" - in caps ofcourse
3) ORDER THEM AND TELL THEM dont ask e.g "All S1 get on my position now or i will eat and then kick you damit" - in caps ofcourse
4) ENCOURAGE AND PRAISE e.g "great work, thanks alot" - do it alot, even after caping a flag
5) TAKE THE LONG ROUTE ALL THE WAY, you get alot of WTF at the start but if you use combine all of the above (1, 2,3, 4) they will co-orperate and you will STAY ALIVE.

Overall example:
Before spwning at start of round: COmmunicate - the flag you are going for, basic rout plan, the starting spwn point, basic kit requiremnet (once you done this a few time it become piss easy, if ness, write it out on piece of paper to reminde you
Once spwned: Re-group me through used of direct orders to get the bldy hell on yourselft now and if they failed in choosing the right kits or spwning in the right place tell them (this is VITAL, they must learn from their mistakes and understand you are watching and you have expectations they must live up to)
One the way to flag: Communicate - the rout again, and repeat any "get on the SL comments" (again VITAL you keep the squad together and moving)
Close to the flag: STOP and FIND COVER, communicate - that you will hide and they will attack together but without you
The ATttack: Communicate - move out order using both map waypoints and verbal/written "move you fcking asses out damit now" (this again is VITAL, a single map order is not enough).

SO OVERALL it is really just requires a good set of plans, not specfic but plans that you can apply to any game, any map, any player - remeber the plan and you will be a unquestiionaly a fine SL for mearly trying, the plan is all htat counts - WIN ON REASON NOT LUCK!

El_Vikingo · Post by **El_Vikingo** » 2006-12-29 23:57

ADVISE TO ALL PLAYER WHO WANT To CONTROL THERE SQUAD:

Use a threatening voice through VOIP, all they need is some discipline.
(warning: they might be p*ssies and leave the squad)

Pantera · Post by **Pantera** » 2006-12-30 01:20

i had the best 3 man squad ever,

and i didnt do what top cat said, cause i didnt see it lol

anyway, when i do get good squads we end up winning, we didnt get ZOMG 3MILLION+ POINTS...infact we was in the middle somewhere, but, we flanked several enemy positions, capped a flag which 4 other squads failed to cap, more flanking behind the enemy, which softened them up and the other squads moved in. And we had awsome cover fire going on, we came across a squad of advancing MEC's and while my team ran across the street me and another squad member took out the MEC squad before they shoot up my squad, then those guys turned around and covered us while we ran across the street....i think THAT was the most teamwork ive ever had in a single minute.

btw : in VoIP and TS i use a Demon voice (i have a voice changer

)...people listen to you when ur SATAN!

Guerra norte · Post by **Guerra norte** » 2006-12-30 01:43

Heh, I say good work, good try and etc. as long as they try their best and listen to my orders, BUT if they do not listen I will yell, insult, curse and so on untill A: They leave B: They start listening or C: I make them leave.

thomaskunze · Post by **thomaskunze** » 2006-12-30 17:08

Darth.Skyline wrote:anyway, when i do get good squads we end up winning, we didnt get ZOMG 3MILLION+ POINTS...infact we was in the middle somewhere, but, we flanked several enemy positions, capped a flag which 4 other squads failed to cap, more flanking behind the enemy, which softened them up and the other squads moved in.

I agree! Even if the round gets lost, it is much more satisfying to know that you and your squad have done a fine job and have played the game like it's meant to be (taking the time to take a detour and flank the enemy etc.).

Since the player base increases more and more, the overall quality of SLs drops IMO. I really like to be SL in general but sometimes, I just want to fight and follow the tactical ideas of someone else. Unfortunately, most of the time those SLs do not use the SL's comrose, not even to mention voice

It is not only highly recommended to use voice, it is a must IMO. OK, there may be some players who just do not have a chance to use voice properly (heard of youngsters, who played in the living room for example...). But every player who claims to play PR in a decent manner should communicate at any cost. It is not unusual that the "Voice" or "mike only" squads tend to be the leading ones on the stats in the end and have taken a considerable part on the team's success.

We should just increase the knowledge - especially to newcomers - how much a good orally communication enhances the gameplay and increases the fun level for all.

Michael_Denmark · Post by **Michael_Denmark** » 2006-12-30 18:33

We really need some more players out there to try out the squad leader function. And keep on trying...learning.

KingLorre · Post by **KingLorre** » 2006-12-30 20:18

good spoken!

iv bin in several squads and bieng squadleader is fun especialy my waycaus i scream and yelll at them all the time~! GET YOUR FUCKING *** OVER HERE~! or WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU THINK YOUR DOING SOLDIER~! but most of the time im taking it easy and i just boss em around! well why dont we make an elite part of squadleaders respected by the PR comunity XD

Hx.Clavdivs · Post by **Hx.Clavdivs** » 2006-12-30 21:35

The only reason why I would go SL is when I run into SL's described here. Yelling? Cussing? Beeing a bully? You think that's how you lead a squad? That is no way to conduct yourself.

I've been led by SL who never had to raise their voice, always stayed respectfull even when kicking a member from the squad. They got compliance, because they where decisive. Radiocheck and removing elements who did not comply.

El_Vikingo · Post by **El_Vikingo** » 2006-12-30 22:46

nothing worse than a fat bloke behind a screen telling you to move your arse when you've got plenty of medals or trophies

Post by **Dunehunter** » 2006-12-30 23:15

I try to stay polite, and mimic some of the SLs I've served under. Ask for stuff, instead of ordering it. This might be a reality mod, but we're all here to have fun, not to be bullied around.

Rico11b · Post by **Rico11b** » 2006-12-30 23:35

The Squad Leader must be in complete control of the squad AT ALL TIMES!!! In real life, if you were to disobey your squad leader your *** is grass, and he is the lawnmower. If you cut and run during battle he can and WILL shoot you in the back for being a deserter/trader. If you didn't die you may end up in jail. That's no BS!!! A Squad is the smallest fighting force in the Infantry. It's made up of 2 or 3 fire teams. If the Squad Leader doesn't have control, then you may as well just give up. And I'll shoot you myself before I let you force me into giving up. It isn't pretty, but that's how it is. And since this is a GAME trying to SIMULATE war, similar rules apply.

Just listen to the squad leaders and give them a chance, if they suck or won't let someone else try SL, then go to another squad

It's a game, we all want to win and have fun. No one wants to be a ding dong, but good manners have no place in battle. Get the job done now, or we are ALL dead

"was that over the top, I can never tell" lol.

Later

Batalla35 · Post by **Batalla35** » 2006-12-30 23:42

Hx.Clavdivs wrote:The only reason why I would go SL is when I run into SL's described here. Yelling? Cussing? Beeing a bully? You think that's how you lead a squad? That is no way to conduct yourself.

I've been led by SL who never had to raise their voice, always stayed respectfull even when kicking a member from the squad. They got compliance, because they where decisive. Radiocheck and removing elements who did not comply.

yeah claudius I think I know who are you talking about???

batalla35

I still not understand why dont you ever want to be squad leader

Hx.Clavdivs · Post by **Hx.Clavdivs** » 2006-12-31 00:33

LOL - I wasn't thinking of anybody spesific, batalla. I just feel the weight of responsibilty weigh heavy on my tiny shoulders. I let that burden go to someone else.

In real life, the squadleaders would have undergone training. Most people are not born leaders, they are trained. And most SL's on the playground of bf2:R has not received training to become leaders. In real life, if you get a leader that would mean instant doom for you and the rest - you do not obey, you do what it takes. It's a game, sure - but stupidity is never applaused.

That said, I do plenty of stupid things ... alas ... I don't play as an SL.