MEC bombs - Tasteless idea

[waffenbaum]

Especially after what happened in london. But that got me thinking. Those guys (The bad nasty SOB's) use suicide bombs as a part of both terrorism and regular warfare. I know it's in extremly bad taste bringing it up now, but it also a truth we need to accept. Those people will stop at nothing to get what they want, and that's just a part of their mentality. (I already feel ashamed for posting this, but at least it might give some debate)
When considering that the middle eastern forces, both soldiers and civilians use explosives with no regards to human life, wouldn't it make sense to have the MEC special forces have their explosives strapped to their bodies, making them "martyr" bombers instead? If it didn't count as a suicide, it could probably work. And the guy would still have to wait to respawn. (Removing the SF from the MEC's would probably be realistic too, since I can't imagine where they would get the expensive special training)

(My only shred of redemption would be that CS has had terrorists planting bombs for several years now)

So besides the wrongness of this, I think it might be duable to switch the MEC special forces for a terrorist. He might have to wait to spawn, and could possibly be without a sidearm at all, but he could instantly blow up most things in game. Tanks, planes(parked) and soforth.

Sorry

[3FJ_Werner]

I don't think the Iraqy republican army used suicide tactics (the mec look like pro's instead of towelheads), and i do think they had SF's but aren't highly trained and equipped as western sf's.
Although i could be wrong.

But if towelheads are introduced in PR, maybe they can explode if they commit suicide. (enter -> suicide).

[waffenbaum]

That's one of the other things. There's no middle eastern army as organized as the MEC's, whom are pretty unrealistic. I think they're supposed to be an army raised by the Arabian Emirates, which is a group of fat old sultans with too much oil, in which case they would be mercenaries. And they still would seem to organized and loyal to be mercenaries. As it is now, the MEC force should probably be made into a kind of rebellious group. (think GLA from C&CG)

I would think it would be better if there was that bit of difference to the fractions. That as a middle eastern fighter, you take chances without tactics, and hope to reach martyrdom by (moronic) suicide attacks. Using their fanatism as a shield.

While the Americans are as they are now, a competent combat force with brilliant tacticians running the show. No changes needed

China, or as I like to call it: "North Korea" , is more centered around idiologies, and the spreading of communism and conquoring of territories.

EDIT: As far as an actual Iraqi army goes, that jazz was over before the fat lady even had a chance to warm up. Their soldiers have mostly become fanatics and guerilla forces now. Which is how I picture the MEC's.

[3FJ_Werner]

And when a suicidal attack is succesfull you would see 27 big fat virgins with mustages on your screen.

[waffenbaum]

*point taken*

[3FJ_Werner]

I think they are already old and ugly, otherwise they wouldn't still be virgins.

[waffenbaum]

*point taken*

[3FJ_Werner]

Stupid in our eyes, heroic in others. (unfortunatly)

Maybe when they are in a jeep or van they can explode themselves and get points when succesfully kill an opponent.
But towelhead models are needed to make it more realistic imo.

[waffenbaum]

I would say a big bomb strapped to their abdomens would be the right thing, executed with the c4 trigger. might even make it to activate it, but don't explode until you let go, either on your own accord, or through being shot.

Remember, these guys aren't exactly known for their grace and subelty. And as for the skin, an added turban, hood or scarf of some sort might do the trick.

[3FJ_Werner]

I would say a big bomb strapped to their abdomens would be the right thing, executed with the c4 trigger. might even make it to activate it, but don't explode until you let go, either on your own accord, or through being shot.

But if he's in a tank, only the tank and his mates should be destroyed
And it should probably be a seperate class too, with no armor, easy to kill.

[Eddie Baker]

I don't think the Iraqy republican army used suicide tactics (the mec look like pro's instead of towelheads), and i do think they had SF's but aren't highly trained and equipped as western sf's.
Although i could be wrong.

But if towelheads are introduced in PR, maybe they can explode if they commit suicide. (enter -> suicide).

Please refrain from the "towelhead" remarks since it is an ethnic slur rather than a term for a terrorists. The shemagh is a piece of utilitarian clothing (so practical in that type of environment that western forces have used variations on it going back to the 19th century from the French Foreign Legion, to the SAS in WWII and Desert Storm). It is what's under that hat on some people that make them sons of *******.

Now, since suicide bombings by terrorists are a fact of life, this isn't a tasteless topic. An often repeated topic, but not tasteless. It became tasteless with the towelhead comments and when joking suggestions were made for an afterlife reward for martyrdom. Please edit your comments.

As for Iraqi special operations / elite forces, Iraq had mountain warfare and amphibious assault capable light infantry units and Special Republican Guard units trained for direct-action assault (commando / Ranger-type role) and close-protection of Ba'ath Party officials.

Middle East states such as Oman and Yemen have special operations forces that have trained with the Russian/Soviet Naval Infantry and VDV, British SAS and US Army Special Forces. The numbers and gear may not be there, but if the men are highly motivated, skilled and disciplined, that's what makes them elite.

[requiem]

There'll be none of this in our mod The MEC is an army and not a terrorist organization.

[waffenbaum]

Ah, but which army then? the MEC is a pretty genderless organization as it is.

Has Iran been taken up for consideration?

[Tactical Advantage]

I don't think the Iraqy republican army used suicide tactics (the mec look like pro's instead of towelheads), and i do think they had SF's but aren't highly trained and equipped as western sf's.
Although i could be wrong.

But if towelheads are introduced in PR, maybe they can explode if they commit suicide. (enter -> suicide).

Keep in mind that we are talking about more than the Iraqi people in BF2, we are talking about the Middle East(Israil, Afganistan, Saudi Arabia, etc.) And if any of you have studied foreign militaries, you would know for a fact that some the Special Forces in the Middle East are absolutly Stunning... Just because they dont have fancy gizmos and gadgets doesnt mean they arnt effective... Actually, Israil has an amazing weapons program from what I've heard, though not much is known about it, supposidly they are extremly good... And also the Israili Special Fores are some of the best there is...

[TerribleOne]

I don't think the Iraqy republican army used suicide tactics (the mec look like pro's instead of towelheads), and i do think they had SF's but aren't highly trained and equipped as western sf's.
Although i could be wrong.

But if towelheads are introduced in PR, maybe they can explode if they commit suicide. (enter -> suicide).

Keep in mind that we are talking about more than the Iraqi people in BF2, we are talking about the Middle East(Israil, Afganistan, Saudi Arabia, etc.) And if any of you have studied foreign militaries, you would know for a fact that some the Special Forces in the Middle East are absolutly Stunning... Just because they dont have fancy gizmos and gadgets doesnt mean they arnt effective... Actually, Israil has an amazing weapons program from what I've heard, though not much is known about it, supposidly they are extremly good... And also the Israili Special Fores are some of the best there is...

if thats the case mabe somone can teach them how to use camo paints correctly.

[Figisaacnewton]

I think adding a terrorist 'army' to PR would be apt, and serve it's realistic cause.

Even if the MEC is civilized and professional, you can't tell me Al-Qaeda would just be sitting there watching, they'd be fighting.

A suicide bomber class would fit perfectly as a replacement for SF in an insurgent force.

[waffenbaum]

Exactly right. Much of the fighting nowadays are organized armies against insurgent groups. And these are absolutly fanatical in their ways. And as demonstrated in Iraq, they can easily be a major thorn in the eye on well-run and top modern army, simply because of their backhand tactics and lack of mercy. Adding a terror group would add more of an rpg element to the whole thing, being able to indentify with the side you choose to play. Because as it is now, there's really no difference between the armies other than their names, and that is a damn shame.

[3FJ_Werner]

Eddie Baker]
Please refrain from the "towelhead" remarks since it is an ethnic slur rather than a term for a terrorists. The shemagh is a piece of utilitarian clothing (so practical in that type of environment that western forces have used variations on it going back to the 19th century from the French Foreign Legion, to the SAS in WWII and Desert Storm). It is what's under that hat on some people that make them sons of *******.

Now, since suicide bombings by terrorists are a fact of life, this isn't a tasteless topic. An often repeated topic, but not tasteless. It became tasteless with the towelhead comments and when joking suggestions were made for an afterlife reward for martyrdom. Please edit your comments.

It is perfectly clear that by "towelheads" it was meant as terrorists or suicide bombers.
The avarage arab and/or iraqi don't wear bombs and kill innocent (wo)man and children and thus the avarage arab and/or iraqi will never be called a towelhead BY ME AT LEAST!!!!!

And i personally find it a lot more tasteless when someone thinks he/she goes to paradise and recieve a reward by killing as many innocent people as they possibly can.
"Normal" muslims don't believe you go to paradise this way, only the radical ones, so if someone here who is offended because they sympathise
with the radical thought that killing innocent people is justified, i couldn't care less.

Sorry but i'm not going to edit my posts because i'm not willing to show any respect to people who believe in such ideology.

And again sorry but this is the way i think and they make me pissed everyday when i turn on the news.

[keyser Soeze.KIA.]

It would be cool if the diferent nations had there own style.

Like the US, mutch vehicle and good weapons. But they dont got the same numbers as the chines and the MEC.

So when playing MEC would have more players but less good weapons etc.

I think it could add a new dimension to the game.

What do you think?

Would prly take some hard wrk.

[Michael M.]

I'd say one of the reasons it won't go into the mod is because you never know who you'll offend. This mod could end up being played by the thousands, and just one or two of those thousands would've probably been affected by suicide bombings and the London attack. No matter how realistic this mod is, someone will always get something, as with all realism. That's just my guess as to why they're not including it (other than the whole army vs terrorist faction thing).

Oh yes, and the MEC needs RPGs.