'[5NFSO wrote:Thunder']these could vary well be the last generation of pure fighters
Well there are nto really any pure fighters any more, just aircraft, "fighters" that have ground attack capabilities to varying degrees!!
So these are not the last generation of pure fighters becuase i dont know anyfighter made in the last 30years that was a pure air to air combat aircraft. So what defines a fighter then?! dont answer, think.
If you add the word "manned" - "last generation of pure" manned "fighters" you would be more correct but i would not bet on it!
dunkellic wrote:btw, currently the typhoon has more modern missiles (afaik) but the americans already plan to upgrade theirs which would then shift the advantage back to the f22 - still, in bvr the f22 would win
both use aim-120 AMRAAM at longer ranges.
Both also use the aim-9 sidewinder at short ranges. Though the eurofighter also has some other short range air to air missiles, don't know how good they are compared to the aim-9.
Top _Cat the great wrote:LOL. Not entirely true. The 3rd Generation fighters negleted manovourability (e.g Phantom) and focusd on intercepting role and all round attack capability. Vietnam proved However they could not entirely rely on long range radar missiles to destroy aircraft before they got close becuase of low chance of hitting at long range. MIssile tech is on the up, though but....
That would be because the early missiles were **** and not reliable.
But, grrr, i hate to say this but if some one has a amazing weapon that is reliable ARE YOU NOT goign to look for a way to protect your self against it!????????/
LAsers, flares, decoys chutes/missiles - so the long range missile is reliable but how effective once such are introduced???/
LEss so i think you will find, So where are the 2 jets now, alot closer where a dog fight COULD (not would) begin and the more manouvable fighter has a much higher chance of surving!
mammikoura wrote:both use aim-120 AMRAAM at longer ranges.
Both also use the aim-9 sidewinder at short ranges. Though the eurofighter also has some other short range air to air missiles, don't know how good they are compared to the aim-9.
yeah, more like there was an extra missile developed to replace the aim-9 sidewinder, which would be the iris-t (which is right now superior to the the aim-9) - but afaik wont be fielded by the uk
for the amraam they are gonna use the meteor
/me wins *g*
And the Americans have expressed that there is no need to replace the AMRAAM when they bring in the F22, as the stealth capabilites of the F22 will off set the shorter range of the AMRAAM compared to the latest missiles from other nations.
The key to modernising any weapon is covering them in glue and tossing them in a barrel of M1913 rails until they look "Modern" enough.
Many thanks to [R-DEV]Adriaan for the sig!
what about a meteor carried on an old Phantom with odd modification, possiblity it could bring down the high and mighty F22!??
Over MAch 4 you know, try and run from that, and highly manouvable, no chance, "stealth" or not, if you appear the size of a bird, well i am sure it will still go for the "bird"!
Bob_Marley wrote:And the Americans have expressed that there is no need to replace the AMRAAM when they bring in the F22, as the stealth capabilites of the F22 will off set the shorter range of the AMRAAM compared to the latest missiles from other nations.
Guys come back to topic of the Brit UK Air Defence Fighter, yes we all know the F-22 is good i admit but we need to get back on topic or its bye bye thread okay?
Anyways the EF is not in full service though am i right? If so then we coudnt really use it in PR, we would have to either use a Sea Harrier ( ) or a Tornad F3 (which woudnt be too bad all you do is lengthen the Tornado you guys are making) And when you say that the F3 can turn for nothing yes i know but then us Pilots will use Hit n Run tactics as it is a really fast one.
Well, it was 'officially' accepted into RAF service in May of 2004, all we are waiting on are the different version's for different roles.
Only tranche 1 and tranche 2 production contracts have been signed so we have 144 of the 232 Typhoons intended. Last Typhoon is expected in 2014. Suppose it depends on your definition of 'in service'.
Since PR is set slightly in the future I don't see a problem, same with using the F35 lightning II.
Yes the EFs are about my friends in the Air cadets and has seen many EFs on various bases RAF lucase etc. The Tornados are all going to be updated at some point aswell.
When was the F22 in full service with the US?
And the F22 maybe a good fighter but does not win hands down at all they EF has better AA missiles. With 2 jets like the F22 and the EF the winner would depend on the pilot.
robbo wrote:Yes the EFs are about my friends in the Air cadets and has seen many EFs on various bases RAF lucase etc. The Tornados are all going to be updated at some point aswell.
When was the F22 in full service with the US?
And the F22 maybe a good fighter but does not win hands down at all they EF has better AA missiles. With 2 jets like the F22 and the EF the winner would depend on the pilot.
What do you mean by "in full service"?
It's being used of course, but there aren't that many of them. (compared to say the F-16) So yeah, might not be too realistic to have the F-22 as the US fighter.
As I already mentioned both of them use aim-120 as their long range aa missile. Sure the meteor might be (and probably will be) better, but afaik it won't be in service in many years. And since the ones who are getting the eurofighter are the brits, who still use the aim-9 (afaik) as the close range aa missile for the eurofighter the missiles are exactly the same for both the US F-22 and the british Eurofighter.
And the F22 maybe a good fighter but does not win hands down at all they EF has better AA missiles. With 2 jets like the F22 and the EF the winner would depend on the pilot.
nope, the stealth technology of the f22 would give it an edge even with the ef´s more advanced missiles right now
And since the ones who are getting the eurofighter are the brits, who still use the aim-9 (afaik) as the close range aa missile for the eurofighter the missiles are exactly the same for both the US F-22 and the british Eurofighter.
yeah true ^_^, the missile wont be in service anytime soon (but i was talking about the ef generally, not in pr-sense ^^)
I really think they are on level pegs, sure the F22 has 'stealt technology' which really is just no external pilons and a sleak body so radar signals have less to bounce off, at 50 miles, it will still show up on a modern radar in a BVR engagement makes it redundant against the typhoon. At this point it would be good to mention that the typhoon is unmatched in supersonic manuverability.
Really though, on paper the F22 has the stealth aspect and the EF apparently has more advanced missles (Dont think it does, we use AIM-120 and Skyflash) but there are too many factors to say whether one or the other is better. So EUROFIGHTER WINS BY DEFAULT *runs*
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I feel a bit stupid asking this, but where did you hear the Typhoon had vector thrust? Is that a trenche 3 thing? I thought vector thrust was a fair bit in the future for the Typhoon. I have to know this stuff for my interviews.
If your right, it worries me that I don't know it.
Yes, alittle unclear, but there is a good chance it might be upgraded with it in the near future. Comparing the aircraft in 10years time, not not fair but considering aircrafts potencial !!! But i think it has a higher chance of getting TV than the F22 has of getting the meteor.
*g*
