Barrett XM109

TerribleOne · Post by **TerribleOne** » 2005-07-25 17:04

eh. yea we need one off those to take out light armor - if you dont agree look in the link and reconsider

this is the gun they use when 50cal just isent enough so they use a 25mm round

http://media.popularmechanics.com/image ... 109-lg.jpg

Djuice · Post by **Djuice** » 2005-07-25 17:20

wow that gotta be one of the most pwerful handheld weapons ever!

Tom#13 · Post by **Tom#13** » 2005-07-25 18:10

yeah the yanks do use that and it looks like a shit load of fun so i dont know why it shouldnt be put in

Post by **BrokenArrow** » 2005-07-25 18:12

so long as it has a place on the battlefield it should have a place in PR

TerribleOne · Post by **TerribleOne** » 2005-07-25 18:25

It does indeed have a place on the battlefield. I picked this up on a page about the Special Forces its on page 4 about weapon selections but there is 5 pages to read if you want to see other variations - Note : not all of the guns displayed are in use but it does state that as some are possibilities and future examples such as the XM 8

http://www.popularmechanics.com/science ... page=4&c=y

CobraPhantom · Post by **CobraPhantom** » 2005-07-25 18:28

Just as long as everybody isnt running around with one, I guess its a good addition...never been much of a sniper fan tho

Post by **BrokenArrow** » 2005-07-25 18:28

woooops.... nice catch cobra haha.

CobraPhantom · Post by **CobraPhantom** » 2005-07-25 18:29

I think you ment to post that a few threads down Broken, lol

TerribleOne · Post by **TerribleOne** » 2005-07-25 18:42

CobraPhantom wrote:Just as long as everybody isnt running around with one, I guess its a good addition...never been much of a sniper fan tho

People will not all want to have this gun and i do think not all would because its magazine is very limited and then your only other choice would be our sidearm which is useless against any other normally.

But you wernt much of a sniper fan with the old snipers. This cobra is not no ordinary sniper

try killing an APC, hummer or even doing damage to tanks with this and your in the right area... (the 50 caliber rifles can pentrate through brick walls and tank barriers and even displace sandbag walls (anti material rifle/aniti light armor rifle - they dident make this so you could make a mess off peoples heads) so this takes you a step above that again.
I cant imadgine the havoc you could do firing this 2000 metres away at people who cant really hide behind much.

A must though if this or the M107 are included (which they better be

) is we need some seriously better scopes X16 or min of X8 is required for any kind of realismn.

Bincoulars are also a must for spotting purposes X20.

If possible these telescopic devices should be able to flick through all or at least a few of the ranges.

3FJ_Werner · Post by **3FJ_Werner** » 2005-07-25 18:58

Talking about binoculars, look what supposed to be in BF2: http://www.planetbattlefield.com/bf2/game/units/usa/ (sniper)
********!

TerribleOne · Post by **TerribleOne** » 2005-07-25 21:18

[R-DEV wrote:Djuice]wow that gotta be one of the most pwerful handheld weapons ever!

Yea one off them but just browsing the net i found the 'elephant gun' as its nicknamed.
Finnish L39 Lahti is one hell of a gun it fires smaller diameter rounds but they are like twice the gunpoweder behind them

look at this link and after you looked at the gun go down and look at the ammo!!

Gun-
http://www.gunboards.com/forums/topic.a ... C_ID=51575
Ammo - http://www.gunboards.com/forums/uploade ... _VEKSI.JPG

Despite the size of the round and gun, its still not as powerfull as the 109

And being that the 109 weighs in at around 30lbs and that 'elephant gun' being... well i wouldent like to be the sorry guy whos carrying it...

But for the ultimate 'sniper rifle' if you can call it that

you might want to see this...

http://www.gdatp.com/products/lethality/xm307/xm307.htm

watch the small movie in the bottom right links -- did my eyes just see 0 recoil

with a 50pound portable sniper rifle accurate at 2000 metres - same as the 109 and 107 allthough all all capable of far greater kill distances thats the reliable range i supose.

Also want to quote somthing here to do with the XM 107 -109 but im sure most the XM long range weapons wil have this also.

Zeroing In

"To enable the shooter to engage targets out to 2,500 meters, Barrett has developed an integrated ballistic computer/ riflescope system known as BORS (Barrett Optical Ranging System). Historically, long range shooting has been a highly technical endeavor in which the shooter had to make a number of calculations before the trigger could be pulled. These calculations included range to the target, the effects of barometric pressure and air temperature, and the type of ammunition loaded. BORS automatically calculates all these variables, and adjusts the sight reticule accordingly. All the shooter needs to do is enter the ammunition type into the BORS (using touch pads on the BORS console) determine the range (either mechanically or through a LRF) and crank the elevation knob on the scope until the proper range appears in the BORS display. The BORS automatically determines the temperature and barometric pressure, as well as the cant or tilt in the rifle itself, and incorporates these enviro-physical factors into its calculations. Once the proper range has been entered, the shooter need only put the target under the crosshairs and pull the trigger."

Tactical Advantage · Post by **Tactical Advantage** » 2005-07-25 21:42

I love the M109, I recall reading once that the M109 Anti-Material Sniper Rifle is so powerful, that even if the round passes by a human with-in 5ft or so, the energy it disperses is so much that the human will die do to a sudden increase in energy/pressure or something like that, but yes, this would make a great addition to PR.

Djuice · Post by **Djuice** » 2005-07-26 05:18

I love the M109, I recall reading once that the M109 Anti-Material Sniper Rifle is so powerful, that even if the round passes by a human with-in 5ft or so, the energy it disperses is so much that the human will die do to a sudden increase in energy/pressure or something like that, but yes, this would make a great addition to PR.

lol, wow,you miss and still get a kill

Medicoris · Post by **Medicoris** » 2005-07-26 06:33

Tactical Advantage wrote:I love the M109, I recall reading once that the M109 Anti-Material Sniper Rifle is so powerful, that even if the round passes by a human with-in 5ft or so, the energy it disperses is so much that the human will die do to a sudden increase in energy/pressure or something like that, but yes, this would make a great addition to PR.

Not good when a lot of civillians around then. Hah. I'm sure if thats the case the Geneva Convention may not allow it.

Nonetheless, this weapon would be best implemented if it was a kit you could pick up at your main base. This way it won't become so overused.

Post by **BrokenArrow** » 2005-07-26 16:03

yeah, wouldnt want too many of these things laying around.

TerribleOne · Post by **TerribleOne** » 2005-07-26 17:39

Medicoris wrote:
Tactical Advantage wrote:I love the M109, I recall reading once that the M109 Anti-Material Sniper Rifle is so powerful, that even if the round passes by a human with-in 5ft or so, the energy it disperses is so much that the human will die do to a sudden increase in energy/pressure or something like that, but yes, this would make a great addition to PR.
Not good when a lot of civillians around then. Hah. I'm sure if thats the case the Geneva Convention may not allow it.

Nonetheless, this weapon would be best implemented if it was a kit you could pick up at your main base. This way it won't become so overused.

The geneva convention does allow it. and no such **** that anti material rifles cannot be used against human targets.
The thing about killing a human 5foot away is also falce infomation i believe.
Which makes it fine in confined areas. you can mabe feel the pressure as it goes past you 5foot away but certanly not kill you.

The geneva convention does not have a general rule of 'it it hurts or makes a mess then its not allowed'

Only things that are proven to be hazardous to people on both sides of the forces does it become against the geneva convention.

Eddie Baker · Post by **Eddie Baker** » 2005-07-26 18:13

TerribleOne wrote:A must though if this or the M107 are included (which they better be ) is we need some seriously better scopes X16 or min of X8 is required for any kind of realismn.

Bincoulars are also a must for spotting purposes X20.

If possible these telescopic devices should be able to flick through all or at least a few of the ranges.

The M107/USMC M82A3 will be included. The XM109 it not yet been adopted and there are only 6-10 examples in field evaluation, depending on the source. As for what this mod had better or better not include, please stow the attitude.

The most common US military issue binoculars are x7 magnification and have a reticle designed to aid in forward observation. Not sure about more powerful ones; those who want them might have to buy their own. The US does have an issue x20 spotting telescope, though, the M49.

Variable optics have been experimented with and will work, but not every weapon is issued with them. The current issue day telescope for the M107 is a variable optic with a x4.5 to 14 magnification range. As for magnification power, the lowest you might see for a military sniper rifle (rather than a designated marksman rifle) is x6. The L115A1 (AWM .338 Lapua) is issued with a x6 telescopic sight to rifle platoons in UK rapid deployment units (like the Parachute Regiment and Royal Marine Commandos). The sniper teams within their recce units and UK special operations forces may employ more powerful optics, though, like the new one for the L96A1 (x3 to 12).

keef_haggerd · Post by **keef_haggerd** » 2005-07-26 19:14

TerribleOne wrote:eh. yea we need one off those to take out light armor - if you dont agree look in the link and reconsider

this is the gun they use when 50cal just isent enough so they use a 25mm round
http://media.popularmechanics.com/image ... 109-lg.jpg

they had these in POE as a pick up kit, much fun to snipe with. Although I dont know, i think it may be too powerful, unless the MEC have some kind of RPG class, which RPG would be for taking out LAVs and doing small damage to tanks.

TerribleOne · Post by **TerribleOne** » 2005-07-26 20:15

[R-DEV wrote:Eddie Baker]
TerribleOne wrote:A must though if this or the M107 are included (which they better be ) is we need some seriously better scopes X16 or min of X8 is required for any kind of realismn.

Bincoulars are also a must for spotting purposes X20.

If possible these telescopic devices should be able to flick through all or at least a few of the ranges.
The M107/USMC M82A3 will be included. The XM109 it not yet been adopted and there are only 6-10 examples in field evaluation, depending on the source. As for what this mod had better or better not include, please stow the attitude.

The most common US military issue binoculars are x7 magnification and have a reticle designed to aid in forward observation. Not sure about more powerful ones; those who want them might have to buy their own. The US does have an issue x20 spotting telescope, though, the M49.

Variable optics have been experimented with and will work, but not every weapon is issued with them. The current issue day telescope for the M107 is a variable optic with a x4.5 to 14 magnification range. As for magnification power, the lowest you might see for a military sniper rifle (rather than a designated marksman rifle) is x6. The L115A1 (AWM .338 Lapua) is issued with a x6 telescopic sight to rifle platoons in UK rapid deployment units (like the Parachute Regiment and Royal Marine Commandos). The sniper teams within their recce units and UK special operations forces may employ more powerful optics, though, like the new one for the L96A1 (x3 to 12).

A canadian sniper scored the furthest confirmed kill with a 107-(2400metres)- allthough hatchcock got a confirmed kill at around 2500 metres in vietnam.
Anyway the canadian with the 107 using a x16scope and his spotter had happy 20x binos to aid him.
Now this is in iraq and fairly recent. Im not syaing thats standard kit becaus ei know its not but the 107 is getting an updated scope and the 109 has an accurate kill range of light armor at 2500 metres so that wil also be using a nice scope

i understand spotters wont be used in PR so the sniper wil have to rely on his own eyes using some binos and 20x would be nice and not unaccurate allthough not standard issue they are within the boundaries and are used currently. Spotters are not needed like they were previously to work out air pressure - wind - density - heat etc because this gun does it all itself ! so no probs when the spotter is not there. This also means there is no need to aim above the target at long range because this simply is not true thats the idea of adjusting the sights so you dont have to make compromises such as that. (breathing and holding your breath options would keep the skill realistic as possible without using innapropiate and innacurate ways of shooting)
I just ask we make some of these guns more top grade rather then lower unles yyou guys plan on having a system to upgrade your current guns - which would be very good.

Also " please stow the attitude.

". There was none it was a meaningles comment showing how important this gun is imo. If you took it the wrong way please reconsider your comment and take it how it was meant.

As far as variable optics this gun has additional nightvision and various other attachments which are allso not issued to every group but are most likely accessible.

I just personally think PR is better off with the better stuff if there is no upgrade system in place.

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