Aircraft

Talon II · Post by **Talon II** » 2007-01-17 19:17

Im a bit of a plane freak so I was wondering if you will ever make the flight characteristics more realistic. I play alot of flightsims and fly in real life and in every mod on BF2 its always the same, dodgy flying. The controls arent sensitive enough also the thing that really annoys me is there is hardly anything to do when flying except keep in the air and change from missiles to bombs. There is nothing demanding or majorly multi tasking as in real fighter and ground attack jets. I cant think right now of things to add to keep the player occupied but i will post down as they come along.

Downtown_two · Post by **Downtown_two** » 2007-01-17 19:21

battlefield is too small for jets, what would be the point in all the fun thing's you have to pay attention to in real life.

I'm a big flight simmer and my application for pilot in the RAF is in the works, but I wont touch the aircraft in BF2 with a 60ft barge pole. They are terrible.

Lean_Six_Sigma · Post by **Lean_Six_Sigma** » 2007-01-17 20:00

I hate to have to use WWII combat bombing techniques with a modern jet. The one thing that I would hope would be possible to program (for EA to deal with not PR) is the inclusion of a Radar Warning Receiver. I'd love to know which way I need to break when I drop flares. Or, to have the flares changed to ugly Chaff since IR Missles are passive and don't give pilots a heads up.

Falcon 4.0... Very very nice game. If you don't mind going through ground school.

Valtasar · Post by **Valtasar** » 2007-01-17 20:03

I won't a two pilots bomber back.

El_Vikingo · Post by **El_Vikingo** » 2007-01-17 21:08

Valtasar wrote:I won't a two pilots bomber back.

You Want it back, and so do I; come to think of it doesn't it involve more "teamwork"? Maybe thats a way you devs can make a laser designator, so the second player can release the presents from the sleigh!

Post by **Mongolian_dude** » 2007-01-17 21:33

The F-15 was fun to fly in pairs(Movie Film, Albasrah re-make), especially with a damn good Pilot(dukemeister at the time). The laser guided missiles are a little buggy though, they tend to: 1)not fire for some time 2) Pretend they are firing and not fire 3) Get you stuck in the TV sights for ever until the pilot crashes.

With a few tweaks, its cool. One would be up the DMG radius of the laser guided missiles.

...mongol...

Mekstizzle · Post by **Mekstizzle** » 2007-01-17 21:48

We really need some A2S missles. Dumbfire if you have too. 2 bombs is just....really not worth it. Especially since you can't do one at a time. They said they're redoing planes in 0.6 so we'll just have to wait and see.

Ideally, all maps would remove the fighters/air superiority jets and just have ground attack CAS planes. Since they're so small (the maps).

DirtyHarry88 · Post by **DirtyHarry88** » 2007-01-18 14:54

The maps are simply far too small for remotely realistic flight.

$kelet0r · Post by **$kelet0r** » 2007-01-18 15:04

Mekstizzle wrote:We really need some A2S missles. Dumbfire if you have too. 2 bombs is just....really not worth it. Especially since you can't do one at a time. They said they're redoing planes in 0.6 so we'll just have to wait and see.

Ideally, all maps would remove the fighters/air superiority jets and just have ground attack CAS planes. Since they're so small (the maps).

Bingo
I'd love to see a CAS subsonic jet (harrier, fantan, frogfoot, thunderbolt) for each side done really well with alot of love towards making it realistic and plausible rather than have a variety of supersonic jets in maps that are too small for even tanks to be used to their potential

Post by **Bob_Marley** » 2007-01-18 16:25

$kelet0r wrote:Bingo
I'd love to see a CAS subsonic jet (harrier, fantan, frogfoot, thunderbolt) for each side done really well with alot of love towards making it realistic and plausible rather than have a variety of supersonic jets in maps that are too small for even tanks to be used to their potential

Agreed. The maps (even the really huge ones) are too small for anything but CAS aircraft.

Maistros · Post by **Maistros** » 2007-01-18 16:52

Aircraft will be audited in future releases. Do not expect to see major changes to the aircraft in 0.5 or 0.6.

Post by **Duke** » 2007-01-18 16:55

'[R-PUB wrote:Maistros']Aircraft will be audited in future releases. Do not expect to see major changes to the aircraft in 0.5 or 0.6.

Yup. Cant wait for that though

darkhead · Post by **darkhead** » 2007-01-18 18:18

Mekstizzle wrote:2 bombs is just....really not worth it. Especially since you can't do one at a time.

it is possible to release one bomb at a time if you swap to missiles right after you hit the bomb release button, if you get the timing right you can just release one for some precise bombing runs. (also it looks cooler)

-=ToD=-KNIFE · Post by **-=ToD=-KNIFE** » 2007-01-19 09:26

Guys i hate it how everyone who dosnt fly wants to see Jets gone except the one that save thier asses, all your gonna do then is cause Su-25 and A-10 Dogfights so you might as well keep the Aircraft that are meant to fight others, besides the Mig 29 is used for CAP close to the lines, its not real we know but so is appearing out of no where into a firefight ok?

Post by **Mongolian_dude** » 2007-01-19 09:58

darkhead wrote:it is possible to release one bomb at a time if you swap to missiles right after you hit the bomb release button, if you get the timing right you can just release one for some precise bombing runs. (also it looks cooler)

Ye it is possible. i think its this way in the 21st century mod?

-=ToD=-KNIFE wrote:Guys i hate it how everyone who dosnt fly wants to see Jets gone except the one that save thier asses, all your gonna do then is cause Su-25 and A-10 Dogfights so you might as well keep the Aircraft that are meant to fight others, besides the Mig 29 is used for CAP close to the lines, its not real we know but so is appearing out of no where into a firefight ok?

Im not much of a jetter(atleast anymore) but i know that people seem to dislike them because they are overpower or something alike....This is the point. if you dont like how good planes are(without the Grail) then you disagree with the essence of this mod. The same goes for helicopters and Tanks.

...mongol...

-=ToD=-KNIFE · Post by **-=ToD=-KNIFE** » 2007-01-19 10:48

thank you Mongol

gerardnm · Post by **gerardnm** » 2007-01-19 11:17

Playing last nite on AL Basara......1st time playing PR that I was Tk'd for a vehicle (A-10).

Hope we don't get the kind of plane whores that re all over BF2.

Valtasar · Post by **Valtasar** » 2007-01-19 19:26

gerardnm wrote:Playing last nite on AL Basara......1st time playing PR that I was Tk'd for a vehicle (A-10).
Lucky you.

Lean_Six_Sigma · Post by **Lean_Six_Sigma** » 2007-01-20 01:21

IMHO....

It really surprises me that people who complain about being bombed and how overpowerful an aircraft in combat can be, don't complain about tanks when they are on foot.

As I pilot, I don't generally want to waste my bombing runs on individual soliders. The better use for my bombs would be to hit the Tank harrassing the foot soldiers. The tanker gets nailed with no warning. This is the same problem that the foot soliders have to deal when a tank is out at 200m. There is no way that they can reach the tank with any effectiveness.

Aircraft > Tank > Foot Soldiers.

AA vehicle > Aircraft

minigunmonk · Post by **minigunmonk** » 2007-01-20 23:19

For you flight simers, have you tried 'Lock on- Modern air combat'? very sweet flight modeling. Best graphics ever in a flight sim IMO.