Delta Force

[Super Six Three]

I would like to see the Delta Forces please

[Tacamo]

Chuck Norris and Lee Marvin in a mod together!

On a serious note I'm not sure what groups they'll ultimately go with, but you'll definitely see a nice variety in game. Even if your favorite group isn't included they'll at least have similar weapons.

[Beckwith]

i wont hold my breath altho im a big DF fan seeing as my namesake founded the unit

[BrokenArrow]

id like to see delta in there.

[Tactical Advantage]

Just give me a "Little Bird" Chopper, and I'll have a sweet Spec Ops Unit..

[TR]

I can imagine the nighrmare trying to do DF... there is so much inaccurate information out there on them as it is right now. Anyone who browses militaryphotos.net knows what I am talking about, true photos of them and their load outs are few and far between but everyone thinks they have a pic of them. I know in the past we have looked at imagery of some of the other elite units but not DF specifically...

[BrokenArrow]

does Delta even 'officially' exist yet?

[Beckwith]

does Delta even 'officially' exist yet?

i actually had an army recruiter admit as much but i dont count that as "official" cause he just wanted to impress me

last i checked no they do not officially exist neather does Naval Special Warfare Development Group (Seal Team 6)

i know what you mean TR, im just waiting to hear what there part in Iraq and Afghan was itll probably be about 10 years before we even know which is to bad

[TR]

I agree Beckwith, Delta started out with a black mark on their record with Operation: Eagle Claw. Since then they have quietly conducted operations, some we know about and some we don't... the rate of information exchange about them seems to be 1-5 years until we learn even a partial tidbit of news about them and their operations.

I know the Army wants to develop a mystique about the unit as it works in their favor when conducting operations but I think far too many of us want to see our best in action... it's a fine line of OPSEC and curiosity we have to deal with.

[Beckwith]

yea but you reffered to the militaryphotos.net, it wouldnt suprise me if they did have some people doing VIP protection, theyve done it before in Eric Haney's Inside Delta Force he said they were trained by the secret service in CP (close protection), Haney himself did like a year of CP for VIP's in Beirut in the '80s, but it also wouldnt suprise me if half the guys in those pics were Blackwater eather

[requiem]

w00t!

[TerribleOne]

^^^^ Delta force wernt given many operations once they got to there destination. They were left alone with nothing to do and no wage.
They decided to take on advanced camoflage and raid incoming vehicles of any spare change any passengers might have.


See image above for current delta force commander.

[BrokenArrow]

TR was eagle claw the tehran mess? if it is ist wasnt really their start, theyve been around really since vietnam


one way we could use them in the game is a black hawk down based mission, either as a VIP type thing with the raid and delta has to arrest the clan luitenants they were going after or as an attack/defence scenario with the somalis pouring in and trying to take the first crashsite where the rangers and delta opperators were holed up. reading the BHD book gives you a decent idea of delta, at least something to go off of. otherwise reading Beckwith's Delta Force book is a good thing to at least get a feel for Delta.

[Tactical Advantage]

w00t!

I recall this picture from somewhere, lol...^^^

[Eddie Baker]

TR was eagle claw the tehran mess? if it is ist wasnt really their start, theyve been around really since vietnam

one way we could use them in the game is a black hawk down based mission, either as a VIP type thing with the raid and delta has to arrest the clan luitenants they were going after or as an attack/defence scenario with the somalis pouring in and trying to take the first crashsite where the rangers and delta opperators were holed up. reading the BHD book gives you a decent idea of delta, at least something to go off of. otherwise reading Beckwith's Delta Force book is a good thing to at least get a feel for Delta.

Operation Eagle Claw was the aborted attempt to rescue the US Embassy hostages in Iran, yes. As for being around since Vietnam, that is not really correct. You are thinking of Project Delta, one of the "Fighting Fraternities" (alongside Sigma and Omega), that conducted deep reconnaissance for MAC-V SOG, doing cross-border operations. While COL Beckwith and several operators who would later serve in SFOD-D had also helped found that unit, it only shared a name. Delta, Sigma and Omega had been disbanded before the existence of Blue Light and SFOD-D and none were re-activated or reformed as a CT unit.

Sorry, but we do not wish to include Mogadishu-based maps / scenarios in Project Reality. For one, it has been done to death by several mods and off-the-shelf games. Secondly, the movie and especially the videogames have been an extremely touchy subject for veterans of that operation and their contemporaries and colleagues, especially the Battboys, and we rely on people like them to help support our mod with information that we can use to make it more authentic and realistic.

[Tacamo]

Speaking of Eagle Claw and the resulting Desert One tragedy does anyone think the mission would be feasible now? IMO that whole plan seemed like an overly ambitious mission with current equipment. Even if the C-130's and Stallions were replaced with V-22's it would still be a logistical nightmare.

[Beckwith]

Speaking of Eagle Claw and the resulting Desert One tragedy does anyone think the mission would be feasible now? IMO that whole plan seemed like an overly ambitious mission with current equipment. Even if the C-130's and Stallions were replaced with V-22's it would still be a logistical nightmare.

it couldve worked then had the Pentagon Brass not insisted on making it a "Joint Opertaion", originally all air assets were supposed to be supplied by the USAF, but high ups in the Pentagon dictated that the Navy play a role, the supplied the CH-53's that were used, according to Haney's book, the Navy choppers were falling apart and the pilots were scared shitless of sand storms and having to fly so far, they said the AF pilots who flew the tankers and cargo aircraft were much more proficient and trustworthy, the mission would never have been aborted if not for 2 of the navy choppers, which werent well maintained, hadnt had to return to the ship due to mechanical failures and the fact that the navy pilots were worried about the sand storms

it wouldve been costly and alot of Delta operators would most likely have been killed but Haney thought they could get it done and were willing to try, i believe him, after the missions failure Col. Beckwith was hung out to dry by the same Pentagon brass that forced him to use sub-par equipment, it sunk his carrer and in the words of his own men "took away all the spark and fire he'd once had"

[TR]

Definately the op could have worked, one of the critques Col. Beckwith had was that he wanted the pilots to be integrated into his command and more training time of course... this is where the 160th SAR roots come from.

Beckwith did a book on the subject in the early 80's that you can still find, I have a copy of course but I recommend tempering it with other sources for a more balanced apprasial of the situation... no disrespect to Col. Beckwith but in that book and interviews he was always going to put the best spin on the situation for his men (and rightly so).

The plan was complex, true. The operation however did have overlaping aspects so if they had gotten into trouble on the ground I think they would have been ok. Certainly having Rangers with them to secure the airfield was a smart idea as it freed up the Delta Operators from having to spread themselves too thin.

They had good intel on the compound and the disposition of the hostages so I think if things had worked out differently it would have touted as a victory and Carter would have won re-election as a result.

Just as an aside I think a game integrating operations of Delta in Iraq in the Gulf Wars, Afghanistan, (and more than likely) the Phiilipines would be interesting as it would move away from the Blackhawk Down backlog of games.

[Beckwith]

TR]Definately the op could have worked, one of the critques Col. Beckwith had was that he wanted the pilots to be integrated into his command and more training time of course... this is where the 160th SAR roots come from.

Beckwith did a book on the subject in the early 80's that you can still find, I have a copy of course but I recommend tempering it with other sources for a more balanced apprasial of the situation... no disrespect to Col. Beckwith but in that book and interviews he was always going to put the best spin on the situation for his men (and rightly so).

The plan was complex, true. The operation however did have overlaping aspects so if they had gotten into trouble on the ground I think they would have been ok. Certainly having Rangers with them to secure the airfield was a smart idea as it freed up the Delta Operators from having to spread themselves too thin.

They had good intel on the compound and the disposition of the hostages so I think if things had worked out differently it would have touted as a victory and Carter would have won re-election as a result.

i agree entirely,
Beckwiths books is great but it is biased, not blatantly so but he was possibly overly tainted in favor of his men

Eric Haney's Inside Delta Force is IMHO the best book written on DF's history he reveals more and tells more stories that Beckwith did (probably because Beckwiths came out about 10years before Haneys and alot of it was still classified),he was a DF orriginal a member of there 3rd recruiting class and he names more names and says more about there actual training, it also has as good as, or an even better perspective of Desert One, if one or two things had gone there way it could have worked, it wouldve been costly but still wouldve worked

TR]Just as an aside I think a game integrating operations of Delta in Iraq in the Gulf Wars, Afghanistan, (and more than likely) the Phiilipines would be interesting as it would move away from the Blackhawk Down backlog of games.

i agree entirely, only probelm is the only missions of theres we know about were there VIP protection jobs (they guarded Schwarzkopf in GWI, and did similar missions to that of the SAS like the famed Bravo Two Zero,) other than that we know virtually nothing of what theyve done

that being said if the focus of this mod (or even if it isnt) is on the Middleeastern confilcts thatve actually happened id like to make maps tailored to those units as well as others id really like to make maps based off of Generation Kill