Javelin anti-tank rocket launcher

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Chubz
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Javelin anti-tank rocket launcher

Post by Chubz »

Man, it would be SO cool to have one of these in the game. If you guys could pull off the way it operates, I would REALLY wet my pants, because it would be one of the more exciting weapons in any FPS. :)

In case you need some videos to kind of watch to see where I'm coming from, give these a look. It's truly a modern marvel. 8)

http://www.putfile.com/media.php?n=_t72spanked

http://www.putfile.com/media.php?n=Javelin46

http://www.putfile.com/media.php?n=JAVELIN99
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Post by Beckwith »

i agree id like to see both the Javelin and the Milan in PR
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Post by Djuice »

Just to let you know, the movie of the javelin destroying the T-72 like that is faked, the T-72 was loaded with 50 kgs of high explosive before hand, and the Tank exploded before the missile could penetrate, and no way in hell a Javelin with a 4kg EFP warhead can cause that large of an explosion.. The Javelin is a decent weapon with top-attack mode and Fire and forget, that only works against slow moving/stationary target, if the target is moving and full speed and manuevering its not that great.

Well, if you talking about single man portable AT weapon, guided or non-guided, then i reckon,

USMC = Javelin, SRAAW with EFP warhead, not blast fragmentation

MEC = Metis-M or RPG-29 using PG-29VR

CH = Metis-M or Type 87 PF-89, 80 mm Light Anti-tank Weapon

Brtis = Milan II or MBT NLAW
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Snake489
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Post by Snake489 »

Isnt the javelin the best Anti-Tank rocket launcher we have right know?

I mean it's got a top attack mode, can reach out to 2500 Meters and proved its usefulness in Iraq against all enemy vehicles.

[R-DEV]Djuice make it sound like it is an average Anti-Tank rocket launcher which it's not.
Djuice
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Post by Djuice »

nonono, what im saying that in the first vid there, the explosion was not caused by the javelin, but actually the 50 kgs of high explosive that was implanted into the tank and detonated..

Its probably the second best man portable anti-tank weapon in the world, after the Spike ATGM system used by the Isreali.. Still decent, can destroy all modern MBTs to date, but its not that useful against fast moving vehicles, compared to the SACLOS based ATGMs.
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Pak
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Post by Pak »

Either way, AT rockets should only take a couple hits to take out most vehicles in this game.
Snake489
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Post by Snake489 »

Can you post som info on the Spike ATGM?
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Post by Djuice »

Gil / Spike / NT-Dandy

Gil/Spike, Rafaelâ$™s new anti-tank missile, is one example of a weapon system that is promoted by the army to foreign clients. Rafael has developed a "family" of three new anti-tank missiles. The Family NT (Nun Tet - antitank) is now called Spike with the versions Spike-SR (short range - Gill), Spike-MR (medium range - Spike) and Spike-LR (long range - Dandy). By late 2002 the Spike family members included: Spike SR; Spike MR (formerly Gill); Spike LR; and Spike ER (formerly NT-D). RAFAEL's SPIKE family of missiles is in full production and is being continually upgraded to maintain its superiority in the international defence arena.
SPIKE-SR
The SPIKE-SR Short Range Anti-Tank Weapon is a low cost, Fire and Forget, man portable, short range, guided missile system that is highly lethal against various targets.

The man-portable, shoulder-fired anti-tank weapon is called the Gil, or "Short Spike"; the second, called Spike, has a greater range of around 4km. The "daddy of the family" was a long-range version designed to be launched from helicopters, known as the Dandy or "Long Spike". Rafael unveiled the Gil at the Paris air show in June 1999. The Spike was declassified by the Israeli Army in 1999 and the NT-Dandy joined its two smaller versions on the global arms market in November 1999.

Family NT (Nun Tet - antitank) manufactured by the Israeli company Rafael entered in operation in Israel Defense Force (IDF) in 1997 in preliminary versions and alone she entered in commercial production in 1998. It has suspicion of that already they have been used in combat.

The NTG/Gill and NTS/Spike are indistinguishable external and have common propulsion of two the 2 periods of training that if erases km and gives controlable reach until 4km. The Gill/Spike is portable missiles anti-car of the type "go off-and-forgets" optimized for use for infantry, Forces Special and troops of fast reaction. The NTD/Dandy is the launched aerial version of helicopter.

The Unit of Command of Launcher (CLU) is common to the Gill/Spike and the operator can choose direct or high trajectory. The target system uses a diurne camera of TV with CCD (Charged Coupled Device) with zoom of 10 times and field of vision of 10 degrees. The weight of the CLU is of 5kg that it increases for 9kg with the addition of a camera of thermal image for nocturnal use. The camera of thermal image has a field 10 vision of 3,5x and zoom of x and can recognize targets until 3.000m. The diurne viewfinder has field of vision of 5 degrees with zoom of 10 times. The battery weighs 1kg.

The complete system with tripod of 2,9kg can be in lying, kneel or seated position and enters in operation in 30 seconds. To be used the shooter acquires the target and dirige the aiming, using the nocturnal or diurne viewfinder, for the target. The shooter then binds the missile that it locks in the target. The missile can be gone off after this process. The shooter can leave position and if hide or recharge and go off another missile. The hard recarregamento less than 15 seconds.
SPIKE-MR (Gill)

The Gill has 4 wings in the way it body and 4 back barbatanas of control that are opened the launching after. The Gill weighs 13kg, length of 1,2m in the container and has war head double type HEAT in tandem being the minor of the classroom with diameter of 110mm and can penetrate homogeneous shield of 800mm being capable to penetrate any shield in an angle of diving of 30º. The operator acquires the target with aiming of the CLU and points head of search of the missile with respect to the target and goes off soon that the missile locks automatically. The missile uses an automatic high trajectory not to be that the direct detonation is chosen.

The Gil is now deployed by Israeli troops in the south and is being marketed to the UK, the US, the Netherlands and Germany. The Spike is also in service with the Singapore Armed Forces. In May 2000, the Finnish Army selected the Gil/Spike system to meet its requirement for a medium-range ATGW system to equip its high-readiness brigades. The missile is in direct competition with the US Javelin and two systems developed by Euromissile: the TRIGAT medium-range missile and the Milan 3.

The Gil ATGW, manufactured by Rafael in Israel, has been in service with the IDF for some years. The Gil has two variants: Gil (Short Spike) with a range of 2.5 km, and the Spike with a range of 4 km. The conversion from one version to the other can be done in the base armory, by adding a fiber optic wire dispenser to the Gil as well as few other adjustments.

On a clear day, the Spike's maximum range is 4km. At night or in poor weather, the maximum range is reduced to 3km. The Gil can be fired from sitting, crouching and prone positions or while standing in a trench.

The Spike Anti Tank Missile, developed and produced by RAFAEL, represents a new generation in missile technology with a high rate precision and with modular adaptability to various platforms. The Spike has reach of 4km and uses the same fuselage and head of war in tandem, but it has additional fiber canal optics. The launching (acronym LOAL in English) with link of fiber has barring option after optics bringing up to date the target for targets beyond the target line (NLOS) that it allows to lock in a hill or house that this the front of the target. After to pass for them the target if becomes visible and the target is redesignado.
SPIKE-LR

The SPIKE-LR is a lightweight, Fire and Forget and Fire, Observe and Update, multi-purpose missile system with a range of up to 4,000 meters. State-of-the-art seeker and fiber-optic data communication link provide SPIKE-LR with the unique ability to:

* Update or switch targets after launch
* Achieve real-time intelligence and identify friends or foe
* Perform battle damage assessment
* Achieve extended range and pinpoint accuracy
* Minimize collateral damage

SPIKE-ER (NTD)

The NT Dandy, also known as "Long Spike", is under development by Israel's state-owned Rafael armaments company, based in Haifa. This new long-range, guided anti-tank missile is apparently far more advanced in design and capabilities than existing anti-armor projectiles. The missile, travelling at the relatively slow speed of between 150 meters and 200 meters per second, can hit targets up to 7.5km away.

The reach of the Dandy is of 6-10km and the head of thermal search of high performance allows to use long-range engagement. The operator can make correction of trajectory with link of fiber-optics. The system of link for fiber optics allows that the launching aircraft to observe and to track the target through the on-board system and can dive and to look to covering after the launching in the way "goes off and brings up to date" while it continues guiding the missile from an occult position.

At approximately 1.5 meters in length and 0.66mm in diameter and weighing 40kg, the Dandy is much the same size as the standard US-made TOW anti-tank missile, which is in use by some 40 countries, including Israel. Unlike the Gil, which is shoulder-fired and has fins that deploy after launching, the Dandy has fixed fins and is designed to be launched from helicopters. The missile is guided by an optic fibre during the initial stages of flight enabling the weapon to hug the terrain

Foreign companies that are fiercely competing to win the contract for Turkey's multi-billion-dollar attack helicopter co-production project will be required to supply precision-guided missiles, guns and aerial rockets to equip the aircraft. The missiles that the five competing companies are offering to Turkey are as follows: Hellfire missiles by two U.S. companies, Boeing (AH-64D Apache Longbow) and Bell Helicopter-Textron (AH-IZ King Cobra); NTD-81 mm, similar to Hellfires, by Italy's Agusta (A129-I); Trigat (not in production) by France's Eurocopter (Tiger); and NT-Dandy by Russia's Kamov, which is competing jointly with Israel's IAI (KA-50/52-Erdogan).
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Post by Djuice »

Rafael based in Haifa, Israel, manufacture the Spike family of anti-armour weapons. The weapons are lightweight fire-and-forget anti-tank missiles and use electro-optical and fibre-optic technologies. The systems are used by infantry soldiers, special rapid reaction forces, ground forces and helicopter aircrew.

The Spike family includes the Gill and the Spike missiles and is currently in production and in service with the Israeli Defence Force and with the Singapore Armed Forces. In November 1998, Rafael signed a co-operation agreement with EuroSpike (STN ATLAS, Diehl and Rheinmetall) to market, produce, sell and maintain Rafael's anti-armour systems, including the Gill and the Spike in certain European markets. Rafael have also signed an agreement with MBDA (formerly Matra BAe Dynamics) to address the British and some other European and overseas markets.

In May 2000, the Finnish Army selected a version of the Spike system, Spike 2.5, to meet its requirement for a medium-range anti-tank missile system. STN Atlas will produce the launchers, Diehl the munition and Rheinmetall the warhead.

In August 2001, the Netherlands Ministry of Defence ordered the Gill missile system to replace the Dragon missile of the RNl Army and Marine Corps. Rafael is the prime contractor, with STN Atlas, Diehl and Thales Nederland (formerly Signaal) the major subcontractors.

The UK Defence Procurement Agency has purchased a number of Spike missile systems for trials and has issued an Invitation to Tender (ITT) to MBDA and to Javelin Joint Venture for the Javelin system, for the Light Forces Anti-Tank Guided Weapon System (LFATGWS) requirement. A decision on selection is expected in 2002.

In July 2002, Poland selected the missile system with deliveries planned to begin in 2003. Local production by ZM Mesko is expected to form part of the contract terms

The Gill and the Spike have the same firing post. The firing post consists of the Command Launch Unit (CLU), the thermal imager and a tripod. The Gill, the shorter range version, is a portable fire and forget anti-armour missile system with a range up to 2.5 kilometres. The Gill uses a charge coupled device (CCD) seeker for day time use or an imaging infrared (IIR) seeker for day and nightime use. Gill can fly with a lofted trajectory enabling the tandem warhead to hit the target at the most vulnerable point. Spike is a portable anti-armour weapon system with a range up to 4 kilometres, which can be operated in fire-and-forget mode and in fire, observe and update mode for non-line-of-sight (NLOS) operations using the fibre optic data link. One soldier can carry two missiles in the back pack and the total system weight is 26 kg.

Operation

The system is made ready to fire in less than 30 seconds. The soldier acquires the target and lays the cross hairs of the sight on the aim point on the target using either the day sight with a 10 times magnification and 5 degree field of view or the clip-on thermal imaging night sight with wide and narrow fields of view.

The soldier activates the missile, locking the tracker on the target and he pushes the Fire button to launch the missile. The missile automatically propels itself towards the target without any additional interaction and this fire and forget capability allows the soldier the option of relocating to a new firing position or to reload immediately for the next engagement. Reloading takes less than 15 seconds.

After launch the missile follows a lofted trajectory and as it approaches the target it dives down to impact the target. The lofted trajectory and the tandem high explosive warhead enables the missile to penetrate tanks equipped with explosive reactive armour (ERA).

The missile has four rectangular fins for aerodynamic control at the rear, and four wings at just over halfway from nose to tail on the length of the body. They unfold as the missile leaves the launch cannister.

The guidance system in the nose of the Gill-Spike missile comprises a charge coupled device (CCD) and Imaging Infra-Red (IIR) seeker. The imaging infrared provides higher sensitivity and improved thermal background rejection characteristics for all weather day and night operation. Gill has a range up to 2,500 metres.

Traning

The Gill-Spike training programme includes target identification and acquisition, missile lock-on and post launch observation. The Gill-Spike system has two simulators for individual training. The Outdoor Simulator trains soldiers, using real targets, up to the point of missile launch. The Indoor Trainer also trains soldiers up to the point of missile launch and during missile flight using the fibre optic data link

The Missile Family

The SPIKE Family consists of missiles suited for several platforms, multiple ranges and a variety of targets. The missiles in this family have sophisticated electro-optic CCD or IR sensors for operation day and night and in adverse weather conditions and a tandem warhead. Their lofted trajectories enable the warhead to hit the target at its most vulnerable part with pinpoint precision. All of the SPIKE Family members have a low Life Cycle Cost, due to high reliability and operational, logistic support and production commonality between members.

The SPIKE-SR is a low cost, Fire and Forget, man portable, short range, guided missile system that is highly lethal against various targets.

Features:

Range: 50 - 800 meters
Fire and Forge
Operation from confined spaces
Two-stage warhead
Easy target lock-on
Lightweight system (9kg)
Maintenance Free

SPIKE-MR (Gill) Medium Range Anti-Tank Weapon

The SPIKE-MR is a lightweight, man-portable, Fire and Forget, multi-purpose missile system with a range of up to 2,500 meters. Its Fire and Forget operational mode guarantees maximum gunner survivability and high hit probability. The SPIKE-MR has an optional Fire, Observe and Update mode of operation for the modern, multi-faceted battle.

The "Gil" is a personal, third generation, "fire and forget, missile. The "Gil" is able to receive data subsequent to its launch, and is capable of switching targets while in flight.

The "Gil" is one of the most advanced missiles in the world, and was developed by the Rafael arms industry in cooperation with the IDF during the 1990's.

The advent of the "Gil" revolutionized the Israeli arms industry, as the IDF had previously relied on the "Orev" and "Gavnoni" anti-tank missiles. Currently, the IDF bases its anti-tank capabilities primarily on the "Gil" type anti-tank missiles.


Technical Details

1) Versatility: The missile can be adapted to naval, aerial, and land platforms.

2) Range: Range of 2.5 km.

3) The warhead seeker: The warhead seeker is electro-optical (TV) and enables tracking as well as pinpoint target acquisition. In addition, the "Gil's" fiber-optic communcations system allows for the collection of vital intelligence gathering, the ability to seek hidden targets, and prevents firing against targets which have been previously destroyed.

4) All weather capability: The missile operates in all weather conditions and in nocturnal scenarios. The ability of the "Gil" to operate in the above-mentioned conditions represents a signifcant technological advance.

5) Tandem (double) warhead: The tandem double warhead allows for increased penetration, especially against reactive armor, and enables the second warhead to penetrate the target.

6) Fire and forget capability: Automatic target guidance.

7) Fire and optic capabilities: This includes the ability to update target information and to switch between targets during a flight.

. 8) Vertical assault trajectory.

9) Fiber optic communication.

10) Lightweight: Each infantry soldier can carry up to two missiles on his back.

Effective range: 200 - 2,500 meters
Weight
Missile in canister: 13 kg
Firing post: 9 kg
Battery: 1 kg
Tripod: 3 kg
Total system weight: 26 kg
Operation: Fire and Forget, Fire, Observe & Update (optional)
Seeker: Electro Optical (CCD, IR or Dual CCD/IIR)
Shelf life: 20 years
Wooden round: 10 years maintenance free
Ready to fire: less than 30 seconds
Reload time: less than 15 seconds

SPIKE-LR (Spike/Gill) Anti-Tank Weapon

The SPIKE-LR is a lightweight, Fire and Forget and Fire, Observe and Update, multi-purpose missile system with a range of up to 4,000 meters. State-of-the-art seeker and fiber-optic data communication link provide SPIKE-LR with the unique ability to:

Update or switch targets after launch
Achieve real-time intelligence and identify friends or foe
Perform battle damage assessment
Achieve extended range and pinpoint accuracy
Minimize collateral damage

The "Gil" is a personal, third generation, "fire and forget, missile. The "Gil" is able to receive data subsequent to its launch, and is capable of switching targets while in flight.

The "Gil" is one of the most advanced missiles in the world, and was developed by the Rafael arms industry in cooperation with the IDF during the 1990's.

The advent of the "Gil" revolutionized the Israeli arms industry, as the IDF had previously relied on the "Orev" and "Gavnoni" anti-tank missiles. Currently, the IDF bases its anti-tank capabilities primarily on the "Gil" type anti-tank missiles.

The missile:
As well as the fire and forget seeker guidance, the Spike missile is equipped with a fibre optic data link guidance system which sends commands to the missile from the launch system and receives, into the gunner's field of view, images from the seeker. The gunner can update his aim point while the missile is in flight using the fibre optic link. The gunner maintains tracking. The Spike system can work in non line-of-sight (NLOS) mode allowing the gunner to operate from a covered position. Spike which can be installed on a range of platforms can be used to engage tanks, armoured vehicles, hardened shelters and low flying slow targets such as helicopters.


Technical Details

1) Versatility: The missile can be adapted to naval, aerial, and land platforms.

2) Range: Range of 4 km.

3) The warhead seeker: The warhead seeker is electro-optical (TV) and enables tracking as well as pinpoint target acquisition. In addition, the "Gil's" fiber-optic communcations system allows for the collection of vital intelligence gathering, the ability to seek hidden targets, and prevents firing against targets which have been previously destroyed.

4) All weather capability: The missile operates in all weather conditions and in nocturnal scenarios. The ability of the "Gil" to operate in the above-mentioned conditions represents a signifcant technological advance.

5) Tandem (double) warhead: The tandem double warhead allows for increased penetration, especially against reactive armor, and enables the second warhead to penetrate the target.

6) Fire and forget capability: Automatic target guidance.

7) Fire and optic capabilities: This includes the ability to update target information and to switch between targets during a flight.

. 8) Vertical assault trajectory.

9) Fiber optic communication.

10) Lightweight: Each infantry soldier can carry up to two missiles on his back.

Effective range: 200 - 4,000 meters
Weight
Missile in canister: 13 kg
Firing post: 9 kg
Battery: 1 kg
Tripod: 3 kg
Length with canister: 1200 mm
Operation: Fire and Forget, Fire, Observe & Update
Seeker: Electro Optical (CCD, IR or Dual CCD/IIR)
Shelf life: 20 years
Wooden round: 10 years maintenance free
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Snake489
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Post by Snake489 »

What does Vertical assault trajectory mean?

And why whould they need two rocket launchers one that reaches 2.5Km and the other that reaches 4Km?

Wouldnt it be smarter to just have the one that reaches 4Km?

I dont like the sound of those tripods would you be able to fire it without the tripods?
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Post by Djuice »

Vertical Assault Trajectory means, Top attack mode, basically attacks the target from the top where its armour is the lowest.

Those tripods can be set up for stabilization, but are not necessary to fire the missile.

Each group of missiles uses different rocket propulsion i think, making the shortest range one, travel faster, and quicker so it can destroy its target earlier.. and for the longer range one, the rocket is built so it can maintain a feasiable speed to the target.
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Post by Snake489 »

Yes i would like a video of this rocket launcher in action.

It sound like a cool weapon.
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Post by TerribleOne »

also the shorter range ones will cost less to manufacturer.
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Post by Doug97 »

[R-DEV wrote:Djuice]Its probably the second best man portable anti-tank weapon in the world, after the Spike ATGM system used by the Isreali.. Still decent, can destroy all modern MBTs to date, but its not that useful against fast moving vehicles, compared to the SACLOS based ATGMs.
Why is that, and why is the Spike better at hitting faster moving vehicles?
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Post by Djuice »

lol, Spike is a F&F missile, not a SACLOS, SACLOS missiles like the TOW are guided by the user, therefore they can track the missile onto the target, while F&F missiles like Javelin and Spike using pre-program leading movement path and image detailing/infra-red guidance to track their target, if the missile lose track of its target, then it would most probably miss.
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Post by Tacamo »

Does the Spike, Gill and/or Javelin have a soft launch capability? That feature alone would greatly increase it's effectiveness in urban areas.
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Post by Doug97 »

[R-DEV wrote:Djuice]lol, Spike is a F&F missile, not a SACLOS, SACLOS missiles like the TOW are guided by the user, therefore they can track the missile onto the target, while F&F missiles like Javelin and Spike using pre-program leading movement path and image detailing/infra-red guidance to track their target, if the missile lose track of its target, then it would most probably miss.
Perhaps I should rephrase my question. It was stated that Javelin is the second-best anti-armour missile in the world, after Spike. Why is Spike better than Javelin at hitting fast moving vehicles?
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Post by TerribleOne »

[R-DEV wrote:Djuice]Just to let you know, the movie of the javelin destroying the T-72 like that is faked, the T-72 was loaded with 50 kgs of high explosive before hand, and the Tank exploded before the missile could penetrate, and no way in hell a Javelin with a 4kg EFP warhead can cause that large of an explosion.. The Javelin is a decent weapon with top-attack mode and Fire and forget, that only works against slow moving/stationary target, if the target is moving and full speed and manuevering its not that great.

Well, if you talking about single man portable AT weapon, guided or non-guided, then i reckon,

USMC = Javelin, SRAAW with EFP warhead, not blast fragmentation

MEC = Metis-M or RPG-29 using PG-29VR

CH = Metis-M or Type 87 PF-89, 80 mm Light Anti-tank Weapon

Brtis = Milan II or MBT NLAW
The infomation regarding the british military is incorrect. They also use the javelin.
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