Yet another helicopter suggestion - but truely a good one

=*CLA*=StudMuffin21 · Post by **=*CLA*=StudMuffin21** » 2007-02-11 02:36

Aside from the fact that now Blackhawks seem very unrealistic (keep in mind I am no helicopter expert or pilot) with their speed acceleration and maneuverability above a speed of 400 or so, I absolutely LOVE the new Merlin on Operation Ghost Train. Getting some practice today I and a fellow clan member were taking screen shots. Realizing the possible potential I discussed the idea with one of PR's testers. He said it might work, though unfortunately maps aren't large enough.

Anyway, on to my idea:

Allow for all bay doors on all helicopters that have them operational.
Bay doors must be opened by either the pilot or a copilot before any troops may enter.
This would also hopefully stop those with twitchy fingers from hitting the "E" button before the helicopter has reached a safe unloading zone.

One thing I (and the tester I discussed this with) thought would be very nifty is the implementation a CH-47 on only large maps were transportation is needed. Use of this aircraft would serve several purposes. It could perform the following operations - but only one at a time:

Option 1)
Cary twelve (12) troops (two full squads) plus one pilot and one copilot. Again, operation of bay doors would be required in order for troops to enter and exit the aircraft.

Option 2)
One (1) fully loaded Humvee (with a mounted .50) may be loaded/unloaded at any given time in any given location (for either insertion or extraction) inside the helicopter. Closing of rear bay door would secure the Humvee inside the helicopter until a safe drop off location is reached and rear bay door is opened.

Option 3)
Two (2) fully loaded DPVs (Desert Patrol Vehicles) may be loaded/unloaded at any given time in any given location (for either insertion or extraction) inside the helicopter. Again, closing of rear bay door would secure the DPVs until a safe drop off location is reached.

Option 4)
Six (6) quads may be loaded/unloaded at any given time in any given location (for either insertion or extraction) inside the helicopter. Once more, closing of the rear bay door would secure the quads safely.

I know nothing of the BF2 engine, what is possible and what is not. I do know that these ideas (other than allowing for 12 troops to be secured) are highly unlikely. I am only voicing my opinion of what I believe would be a huge asset for game play as well as realism.

Now for the picture that inspired me to think of this idea:

http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/3205 ... 9b0fj7.jpg

Here is my reenactment of this event. Throughout the game I successfully pulled off at least one dozen of these operations (parking the butt end of the helicopter on a edge while troops loaded/unloaded, then performing the same operation for a pickup and moving on to the next flag. NOTE!!! THIS REQUIRES MUCH PATIENTS, A STEADY HAND, A JOYSTICK, AND PRACTICE!! PLEASE DON'T DO THIS UNLESS YOU ARE SURE YOU CAN PULL IT OFF AS TEAM KILLING A FULL HELICOPTER WILL SURELY NOT MAKE YOU FEEL GOOD. So again (not to brag

) I was piloting, and =CLA=ReaperMAC was taking screen shots.

http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/7546 ... 074bo4.png
http://img107.imageshack.us/img107/7551 ... 084cf5.png

I wasn't sure what code to use so you'll just have to click on the link.

Teek · Post by **Teek** » 2007-02-11 02:48

8 is the max in the BF2 engine
I people can stand in the Merline, then Vehicles might too.
I like the idea of opening door, Even if people can exit with doors closed anyway, the pilot could indicate when to exit, cause "bail out" is hard to hit while flying and not effective... Perhaps a Auto "bail out" when the doors open? can the Pilot get a door button to Right mouse.

=*CLA*=StudMuffin21 · Post by **=*CLA*=StudMuffin21** » 2007-02-11 02:50

I attempted to have people just pile in and fly, unfortunately with the side doors open (even with the slowest most careful of flying) people bump around and fall out.

SGT.Collado · Post by **SGT.Collado** » 2007-02-11 02:52

God, they're more the fine the way they are. I dreamed of blackhawks being this fast. At least they're not useless anymore.

=*CLA*=StudMuffin21 · Post by **=*CLA*=StudMuffin21** » 2007-02-11 03:01

I too enjoy their speed. I am only doubting their realism.

Teek · Post by **Teek** » 2007-02-11 03:10

Speed is realistic, handling and acceleration was more realistic in 0.4

Wipeout · Post by **Wipeout** » 2007-02-11 03:42

Teek wrote:

8 is the max in the BF2 engine
I people can stand in the Merline, then Vehicles might too.
I like the idea of opening door, Even if people can exit with doors closed anyway, the pilot could indicate when to exit, cause "bail out" is hard to hit while flying and not effective... Perhaps a Auto "bail out" when the doors open? can the Pilot get a door button to Right mouse.

Kill me if I'm wrong but I believe I was talking to Rhino once and there is a way to have more then 8 people in 1 vehicle.. Again I might be wrong because it's been a while..

Soulja · Post by **Soulja** » 2007-02-11 03:45

Thing about the blackhawks is, speed is realistic but their maneuvering capabilities and stuff are not.

Shining Arcanine · Post by **Shining Arcanine** » 2007-02-11 03:49

Teek wrote:

8 is the max in the BF2 engine
I people can stand in the Merline, then Vehicles might too.
I like the idea of opening door, Even if people can exit with doors closed anyway, the pilot could indicate when to exit, cause "bail out" is hard to hit while flying and not effective... Perhaps a Auto "bail out" when the doors open? can the Pilot get a door button to Right mouse.

Eight is the maximum per mesh for the Battlefield 2 engine. The developers can get around this by having multiple meshes composing the helicopter.

.:iGi:. Eggenberg4Ever · Post by **.:iGi:. Eggenberg4Ever** » 2007-02-11 03:50

How many guys have actually flown in a UH60?

Wipeout · Post by **Wipeout** » 2007-02-11 04:19

Maybe 1 person.. My guess would be ZEHO!

Soulja · Post by **Soulja** » 2007-02-11 04:26

.:iGi:. Eggenberg4Ever wrote:How many guys have actually flown in a UH60?

I've flown in one, my uncle is part of the national guard. They weren't supposed to let civilians in it but the hummer they took to the place left early and forgot me so i got a stylish ride back lol.

[Fr]WhiteMoon · Post by **[Fr]WhiteMoon** » 2007-02-11 04:38

I find your idea pretty good and I think it completes the one I had here

I like this idea too : Perhaps a Auto "bail out" when the doors open?

To =*CLA*=StudMuffin21 : I love the first pic posted and found it long time ago ! I just get back to PRM and am about to begin my PRM copter's pilot learning (more difficult than BF2) after re-installing my Topgun Afterburner 2. I would be pleased to make training with you to develop such flying technique... let me know

Wipeout · Post by **Wipeout** » 2007-02-11 05:03

Joysticks suck.. Nothing is more steady then a mouse and keyboard and a skilled playa

Dakohunterwhite · Post by **Dakohunterwhite** » 2007-02-11 05:08

I was watching you guys on the server today and you guys are pretty good at flying that heli. Not counting the times you crashed

Now that CH-47 is going to be huge if it can carry a hummer or two DPVs.(if they make one anyway)
Keep up the good work devs

[Fr]WhiteMoon · Post by **[Fr]WhiteMoon** » 2007-02-11 05:30

Dakohunterwhite ! I feel good reading your feedback on those pilots. It gives a good opinion of the community

??? Wipeout ??? I find BF piloting with mouse really good made but I always had a better feeling with a joyistick, especially with copters simulating games where keyboard doesn't allows enough simultaneous keys use

Did you really trained with a joystick ? Because I remember three things :
- I first learned copter piloting on BF Vietnam with mouse and I was pretty good at. Then I bought a joystick and I had to learn again piloting from the beginning because it's really different to use. This known as, I saw someone piloting so good on BF2 (demo) with mouse I don't know if one day I'll ever do so good. And on the copter (almost) simulator Med Evac it is simply impossible to flight very well with a keyboard (I took quarter an hour to first land and finish to get patient to buy my joystick).

- I had one day a conversation about wheel using with a friend who was like me fan of arcade simulating driving (like NFS and more) and he replied me like you, saying he's more precise with the keyboard. I said just like before that you have a delay to re-learn driving. Monthes after I met him again and he said me he tried again the wheel and discover how it can be great.

- I've been in relation with a BF Vietnam players group where some really good pilots were fragging high. On their forum, I post a training shooting course with the fighting huey, where we had to shoot precise objectives in precise order and land back in the same direction than before taking off, time and rockets used being the challenge. I trained so much on it I finished with a very well time. One of the pilot said (before testing) he'll blow my time, and I still wait his result

Now if you're a well trained joystick players that got back to "archaic" (in my opinion) mouse/keyboard control, let me know cause I would like to read more about this

Neighbor Kid · Post by **Neighbor Kid** » 2007-02-11 06:27

... edited i retract my question....

ArmedDrunk&Angry · Post by **ArmedDrunk&Angry** » 2007-02-11 06:32

no ropes from helo's
it's been suggested and rejected many times.
I could swear that I hit something like 700knots in the BH on Jabal and I don't think helicopters go that fast in RL.