Mk.19???

Soulja · Post by **Soulja** » 2007-02-24 20:15

I have saw before in a post that the Mk.19-M3 Automatic Grenade Launcher was going to be implemented but we have yet to see it. Is this something for 0.6 or did i miss something along the way?

lonelyjew · Post by **lonelyjew** » 2007-02-24 20:32

I think it would be sweat, with the new style of gameplay I think it could also work without being too powerful.

Randleman5102 · Post by **Randleman5102** » 2007-02-24 20:36

It would be awesome... possible thought to have it jam, or at least hold only like 15 shots.

Cuz in the book "Generation Kill" the MK jams literally almost every time they use it.

Post by **RikiRude** » 2007-02-24 20:37

Damnit jew, you and your avatar, I sat here for 5 minutes not typing anything because I kept getting distracted by it!

Anyways, I don't know anything about the mk19 I am not sure how we would implement it, but it's something that would be pretty cool to see on a battlefield.

A-10Warthog · Post by **A-10Warthog** » 2007-02-24 22:21

yea! it would be great to have but for the jaming thing, we could have it set to over heat very quick and make the sound a jaming sound

best of all it is used on lots of things like humvees and well everything

ReaperMAC · Post by **ReaperMAC** » 2007-02-24 22:41

Randleman5102 wrote:It would be awesome... possible thought to have it jam, or at least hold only like 15 shots.

Cuz in the book "Generation Kill" the MK jams literally almost every time they use it.

You've read that book too? Yeah they always jam, they kept running out of that lube/grease stuff to clean it. Good book btw lol.

Randleman5102 · Post by **Randleman5102** » 2007-02-24 22:45

Ya.

That supply guy Casey or w/e his name was, he was too busy filming his war documentary rather than suppling his troops.

WNxKenwayy · Post by **WNxKenwayy** » 2007-02-25 01:02

Mk19's we have don't jam, but we also don't get to use them much right now, they are simply to much overkill. I find it really hard to balance a weapon that shoots 6 HEDP grenades a second up to a range of 2212m.

Post by **77SiCaRiO77** » 2007-02-25 01:15

pick up kit ? something deployable like the cal .30 of FH ?

[T]Terranova7 · Post by **[T]Terranova7** » 2007-02-25 01:18

I'd just mount GLs on vehicles (Jeeps for the most part). In addition, having them serve as stationary defence weapons, or maybe a deployable version. But I can see something like that being abused for spawncamping areas.

Eddie Baker · Post by **Eddie Baker** » 2007-02-25 02:35

77SiCaRiO77 wrote:pick up kit ? something deployable like the cal .30 of FH ?

The Mk-19 weighs much more than the old M1919 .30 cal MGs, so it would not be appropriate in any kit, even by itself, since it cannot be carried by one man. It will be on some vehicles and in stationary positions, eventually.

Post by **Bob_Marley** » 2007-02-25 02:37

77SiCaRiO77 wrote:pick up kit ? something deployable like the cal .30 of FH ?

The Mk.19 is way too heavy for a pick up kit, it would have to be viechle mounted or a stationary emplacement.

And balancing wouldnt be too hard, the Brits can get the H&K GMG (I forget its "L" designation), the Chinese could use the QLZ-87 (and they could have a pick up/request kit, in addition to it being mounted on jeeps and such) or AGS-17 and the MEC could also use the GMG, Mk.19 or possibly the Vektor Y3 (Because the MEC forces will be using the HK79 as thier UGL, which uses western 40mm grenades, and the 40x53mm "high velocity" grenades of the lauchers listed above could be used in the HK79, and in modern warfare ammunition communality is the name of the game) or if the devs wanted a more Russian feel, the AGS-17 or AGS-30 could be used (again, if the AGS-30 were used it could be in a pick-up/request kit, as it is single man portable), though I'm not in favor of it.

Eddie Baker · Post by **Eddie Baker** » 2007-02-25 02:42

Bob_Marley wrote:And balancing wouldnt be too hard, the Brits can get the H&K GMG (I forget its "L" designation), the Chinese could use the QLZ-87 (and they could have a pick up/request kit, in addition to it being mounted on jeeps and such) or AGS-17 and the MEC could also use the GMG, Mk.19 or possibly the Vektor Y3 (Because the MEC forces will be using the HK79 as thier UGL, which uses western 40mm grenades, and the 40x53mm "high velocity" grenades of the lauchers listed above could be used in the HK79, and in modern warfare ammunition communality is the name of the game) or if the devs wanted a more Russian feel, the AGS-17 or AGS-30 could be used (again, if the AGS-30 were used it could be in a pick-up/request kit, as it is single man portable), though I'm not in favor of it.

"Balance" should not be achieved by adding nearly identical equipment to every faction.

I don't know if the GMG has a "L" designation, yet. But the QLZ-87, like the Mk-19 (which, Soulja, you really should have just bumped an earlier thread about, but I'll let it slide

), we would like to include since it is rather unique.

As for the HK79 being able to use the 40 x 53mm HV ammunition, I am going to have to wave the bullshit flag until I see a source that says otherwise, since the FMs say that under no circumstance should you use the HV ammunition in the underslung or handheld launchers.

Post by **Bob_Marley** » 2007-02-25 03:01

Fair enough, my point is it *could* be used (unlike the M203), but it would almost certainly cause more rapid barrel wear, and possibly be dangerous due to higher pressure. And of course the recoil would be mahoosive (having seen the videos of FN's shoulder fired HV grenade launcher I wouldnt want to use one my self)

Also, just out of interest, when did the stance on AGLs change? A couple of months ago I'm pretty sure they were ruled out all together due to problems of maintaining faithful reality while not making them spawn-rape-o-matics.

Anyway, good to hear the Chinese will hopefully be getting the QLZ-87!

Ah well, if the MEC and UK miss out on the AGLs it means they get something even cooler, right?

BetterDeadThanRed · Post by **BetterDeadThanRed** » 2007-02-25 04:12

Mk47 is comming soon to a theatre (of war) near you to replace the dust farting mk19 so that might be a better choice.

Soulja · Post by **Soulja** » 2007-02-25 04:22

Sorry bout not bumping an old thread but i figured no one wanted to read the only 1 i found about it which was 5 pages.

Soulja · Post by **Soulja** » 2007-02-25 16:29

This one died quick....

ReaperMAC · Post by **ReaperMAC** » 2007-02-25 20:46

Randleman5102 wrote:Ya.

That supply guy Casey or w/e his name was, he was too busy filming his war documentary rather than suppling his troops.

Haha Kasey Kasim... or Captain America...

But with the Mk.19, would game play a bit more interesting

Soulja · Post by **Soulja** » 2007-02-27 21:50

Bump, because i really want a reply on this.

WNxKenwayy · Post by **WNxKenwayy** » 2007-02-28 00:17

you can't 'balance' a weapon like the mk19. You just can't and maintain a level of realism. A single 3 round burst and an entire squad in the open desert/city where would be wiped out. It fires 6 rounds a second, and can lay waste to a humvee/APC just as quickly. So yeah, no.