Full-on aerial warfare.

coolhand · Post by **coolhand** » 2007-03-03 02:17

How do you guys feel about a map totally devoted to Air Warfare? I love to fly - and so do many many people and I think it'd be really cool if we can have at least one map where it's just planes vs. planes....

Kinda like Battle of Britain for FH; one team has interceptors and the other teams concentrate on bombers with a few fighter escorts. Basically, its not a capture CPs kind of map, but just kill each other's hardware and pilots.

I've always wondered how intense it would be to have PR's realism in a major furball. And for those who dont want to fly, then they can man the AA for base defense. It'd be cool if say, the US carrier can be destoryed by bombing and the MEC has an airfield to defend from bombers (or a couple of airstrips or so..) What do you guys think and how many of you would want a map like this?

DirtyHarry88 · Post by **DirtyHarry88** » 2007-03-03 02:36

Nah don't think it would be very good tbh.

Cerberus · Post by **Cerberus** » 2007-03-03 02:37

Man, that would be awesome... maybe have two U.S. carriers vs. a Chinese airbase. It'd be just like Coral Sea!

Post by **77SiCaRiO77** » 2007-03-03 02:39

I like those battles too , good times on sea coral or bombing the reich of FH .

but most player here love infantery battles ,cs style , they dont wana be raped and dont have skill flying (:mrgreen

Eagle · Post by **Eagle** » 2007-03-03 02:45

77SiCaRiO77 wrote:but most player here love infantery battles ,cs style , they dont wana be raped and dont have skill flying (:mrgreen

Not sure about your bias there, but I agree that the idea would be fairly restrictive in that people who don't enjoy flying would most probably mapvote constantly or just quit until the map changes; not good.

Randleman5102 · Post by **Randleman5102** » 2007-03-03 03:58

I would love a map, but I dont think without serious morping it will be a PR map.

Agent Johnson · Post by **Agent Johnson** » 2007-03-03 04:09

considering this is battlefield and not counter strike, we should actualy make use of the vehicles. why buy a battlefield game if u dont care about vehicles. agravating that dice put a infantry only option. if u want infantry only then go play another game. just my thoughts on this subject.

foodmaniac2003 · Post by **foodmaniac2003** » 2007-03-03 04:16

Hehe...

I would love this.

Oh, and a full blown armor battle would be awesome as well, similar to Zitadelle.

You remember me Coolhand? I'm still addicted to FH

Post by **GeZe** » 2007-03-03 04:23

That would be fun, an all air map. Maybe have a few very small islands which need to be capped, be helicopter. The carriers should also be able to be capped, and also, they should be like the carrier in IronGator, SF map, so you can go inside. Have 10 jets a side, 5 attack helis to and some transport helicopters. Mmmm....

Post by **Rhino** » 2007-03-03 04:38

A 100% air map is out of the question IMO.

belive it or not, I use to be a very big jet whore in BF2 (very, very big jet whore). put it this way, i was so much of a jet whore thous days I kicked ppl from the server who got to the plane i wanted before I did (yes i was a vinninal smack tard back then in that respects).

So I love to fly and dont think im one of thous guys who dose not.

How ever, I still fell that a 100% air map is still out of the question for the following reasons, some have been stated above.

1. all the players do not want to fly, alot like tanks, and other vehicles and would most likley leave the server if the map came on. we need to try and think about all the players that play this mod.

2. Air power is really there in the first place (even in real life) to support the ground troops. Air Power alone will not win a battle, but it can play a huge part if used in the right way to help win the battle and can change the out come of the battle, but on its onw it will never win a battle.

3. BF2 / PR is not a flight sim, never has been and never will be. We can do alot of improvmant on the planes but we will never get them really up to scratch to real life jets. Also the maps in BF2/PR size wise are limmited to what we can do, so really big and good air combat is not all that possible realisticly.

Thous are the main points I can think of.

How ever. I do fell that Combined arms maps, where air power provides a very big effect on the battlefiled is something we need more of and to let you guys know, we are working on it

coolhand · Post by **coolhand** » 2007-03-03 05:58

foodmaniac2003 wrote:Hehe...

I would love this.

Oh, and a full blown armor battle would be awesome as well, similar to Zitadelle.

You remember me Coolhand? I'm still addicted to FH

I remember ya food

You're one of my fav. FH players when I used to play in WOLF. Unfortunately, my new job limits my time for playing - almost never during the weekdays and only for a couple of hours a day on the weekends now

So I had to make a choice. FH is a beautiful game, but it's abeen there, done that kind of deal. PR on the other hand just feeds what I crave: guns, realism, more guns, and more realism.

I really want this map. Sure, not everyone can fly, but it'll also be a good time for anyone to 'practice' with live players. Sure we're going to see some spectacular crashes; people will learn at the same time. he aces will stalk the sky and the cadets will just have to learn their machines along the way.

I can almost see it... a squadron of 4-6 planes flying in formation only to come across an enemy squadron. 3 planes fly high right, 3 planes break left, engagement begins....I must admit I love getting into scissor fights because at that point, skill is what makes all the difference. Wrong turns can land you in a bad spot. Bad throttle control can get you killed. There is nothing like a good dogfight (for those who love planes.) You'll know you just had one when your wrists are killing you, your joystick is all sweaty, and then you realized it was a fight that dragged on for more than a minute. Sure a minute doesn't sound much, but when you are fully concentrated on surviving, it can seem like forever.

I remember my FH days: Spitfire vs. FW-190s | Zero vs. Hellcats | P40 vs. BF109...

Yumm...

I can't wait to see a cloud of flying hardware in the sky. A cloud composed of F16s, Mig29s, A10s, SU27s, J10s, (F15s) raining lead all over the place. Please please someone make this map!!!

coolhand · Post by **coolhand** » 2007-03-03 06:03

Oh and in addition - I do admit that there will be some who will NOT like this map. Those who do not care about aviation or have the joysticks to really enjoy them. My idea for them:

Repair crew: How about no repair pads at home. Instead, we'll have several repair vehicles crewable by engineers only and emplacements crewable by Engies only. Those who stay on the ground should get ridiculous amounts of points for repair (bot for motivation and helping the team generously). Not so much for the AA kills, but since AA is so nasty now, they should be fun little gadgets for groundcrews to use as well as add some new challenges for the pilots.

Smitty4212 · Post by **Smitty4212** » 2007-03-03 06:06

Planes are the absolute least realistic aspect of PR.

And a map that focuses on JUST planes would be pretty terrible. If PR was a WW2 mod, it would be a lot easier, as planes in WW2 fly at acceptable speeds for the map sizes in PR.

A-10s and the like are really the only aircraft that can be made even reasonably realistic, and those aren't exactly ideal for dogfighting.

If maps could be made about... oh, let's say 10 times bigger than they currently are, maybe you could have an F-18 fighting a Mig, but it's just stupid right now when I see on Gulf of Oman the two planes buzzing 20 feet over my head pulling manuevers that would black out any regular pilot every other second.

Post by **Rhino** » 2007-03-03 06:10

coolhand wrote:I can't wait to see a cloud of flying hardware in the sky. A cloud composed of F16s, Mig29s, A10s, SU27s, J10s, (F15s) raining lead all over the place. Please please someone make this map!!!

the best advice I can give you is to buy a flight sim... BF2 / PR is not the place you want a jet only map for the reasons I gave before.

PlayPR! · Post by **PlayPR!** » 2007-03-03 06:40

foodmaniac2003 wrote:Hehe...

I would love this.

Oh, and a full blown armor battle would be awesome as well, similar to Zitadelle.

A full blown armor battle woyld be awesome! I love fighting in Tanks and APCs but now adays I never get a hold of it because of all the people who jump in them by themselves and ask, "ZoMg!? ThIs TanK is teh suczors! Its bugGy AnD I CaN't MoVe!!11!!!!?/??"

r3st · Post by **r3st** » 2007-03-03 07:36

Doesn't really sound like a good idea. A big tank map would be good though.

coolhand · Post by **coolhand** » 2007-03-03 08:01

'[R-DEV wrote:Rhino']the best advice I can give you is to buy a flight sim... BF2 / PR is not the place you want a jet only map for the reasons I gave before.

I have every flight sim you can think of man

The only thing is it's BF2 with the easiest way to find other 'flyers'. Though it's not anywhere close to a realistic flightsim (lomac, falcon, etc) PR/Bf2 has much more players. Also, I'm not always in the mood to wait 20+ minutes in a lobby just to get a game going.

Post by **Rhino** » 2007-03-03 08:13

coolhand wrote:I have every flight sim you can think of man The only thing is it's BF2 with the easiest way to find other 'flyers'. Though it's not anywhere close to a realistic flightsim (lomac, falcon, etc) PR/Bf2 has much more players. Also, I'm not always in the mood to wait 20+ minutes in a lobby just to get a game going.

maybe you should try WWII Online? its a MMOFPS and its flightsim part is pretty gd

causticbeat · Post by **causticbeat** » 2007-03-03 08:49

just load up bf1942 and play coral sea. planes are too twitchy now for everyone to enjoy a map like that in the bf2 universe.... maybe a light attack helicopter battle, but i doubt thats realistic...

god, dogfighting the two copters on mao valley is the only enjoyable part of that map

Kenny · Post by **Kenny** » 2007-03-03 09:11

LoL imagine the A-10 vs the Su25 that would b something to see