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Sam Hoy
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Post by Sam Hoy »

It certainly rubs me the wrong way when I get kicked near rounds end while being a squad leader. Who wants to pay for that shit?
I find this difficult to understand, you had a significant emotional attachment to this round, obviously it was a well fought out and entertaining round. Or else you would not be quite so sour for being kicked. So it is apparent you find the gameplay somewhat stimulating. And if you are paying for that (dare I say) shit, then you will not get kicked.


I'm not a supporting member, but I still am able to enjoy the server. In my mind it's simple either pay, or do not complain about the kicks. You say you don't want it to happen to other people, however apparently thats exactly what you want. You seem to view other players as less productive and inferior to you. What type of self centered attitude is that when you want someone else, who may be having an equally productive and enjoyable round to be kicked instead of you? Maybe they don't have the highest score, perhaps their mission doesn't involve achieving an extremely high point index, it can still be equally essential to the team. Maybe they just joined, they still have the potential to contribute the same as you.

Of course it is not ideal, and if Tactical Gamers could allow more members to play per round while maintaining immersible team play, I'm sure they would. But they can't. It's simple mathematics, the paying members obviously have earned the privilege to unrestricted access to the server, for goodness sakes they particularly own a portion of it! The rest of the slots go to whomever else. And on most nights this is a significant number of slots indeed.

In fact I would argue this setup offers nonsupporting players the most playing time as opposed to more reserved slots. Because reverse slots are basically created on the fly. As opposed to ten slots reserved and dedicated for supporting members we have two static slots and infinite dynamic ones. So if ten supporting members aren't playing, then anyone else can use those spots. Certainly they are subject to the boot, but in most cases there have been people on longer then you for awhile, then after a few good rounds you may get kicked, but are welcome to rejoin.

The rationale behind the longest player on the server to be kicked is simply a matter of fairness, it allows a great many players to cycle through and enjoy a few good rounds on an in demand server, and then after a hearty break, rejoin. And the reason why shortest time on the server, or lowest score isn't kicked is that it would always be the same person. Imagine this, you just connected to a full server and then a supporting member wanted to join. Then you would be kicked right away, either for zero points, or shortest time (On TG PR there are almost no players with negative scores). Assume this person waited patiently for a slot to open and rejoined. Then a minute later a paying member wanted in. Well you can see the faults in this logic, however it is a validate comment, and a thoughtful contribution, but ultimately unfair for that player.

The burden for the cost of operating the server has to be shared. The incentive behind becoming a supporting member is for uninterrupted team play, with the stress on team play. The interruptions can be annoying, very irritating indeed, however they themselves should not be the motivation to contribute to the server.

Players are warned about the supporting member kick apparatus upon joining, and various time intervals during the game.

I generally agree with the poster that suggested language filters are not necessary for this particular game. Their are instances of obvious abuse though, and these are best dealt with by administrators. Foul language and vulgarity are part of modern warfare, no doubt about that, and thusly should be allowed in. Assuming the phraseology is relevant and controlled. Also the language filters neglects the voice aspect of communication, and only focuses on the text. In fact on multiple occasions I have heard TG administrators using "banned words" over voice, sometimes after penalizing the use of the same words over chat. Ultimately this is not a huge issue for me.

Determined, you live up to your name very well, and have some dynamic and thoughtful, not to mention strong opinions. I can only ask that you express them in a more articulate fashion and exclude obvious attacks on character and respect the system that the hard working administrators at TG has set up. You still are welcome to disagree with policy, and are more than welcome to question it, but it is essential to remain realistic and open minded as well as respectful towards others, and you should expect an equal amount of respect back.
vanity
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Post by vanity »

I'll probably join TG and pay for a slot on the server. I don't have a problem with paying anything under $10/mo for a dedicated slot, especially if I don't have to worry about being disconnected.

I think my main draw is that if it's made mostly of people who pay for slots, it should have a relatively low ratio of assbags who's main goal is to vehicle whore and ruin every else's fun. As soon as you bring money into the equation, it helps filter out the undesirables.

It's kind of like a gym. If you go to your local YMCA or cheap, $10/month Bally's...it's a dump. A dump filled with douchebags who don't know what the their doing and mostly just strut around, seemingly doing everything in their power to get assure they leave the premises on a stretcher. Then you've got the $50-70/mo gyms. Where its people who want to be there and do something positive, not just **** around b/c they're bored.

I vote we have more pay servers. I'd pay $15/mo if I had a choice of 3 of them.
Determined
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Post by Determined »

Let me say I keep talking about this one round because it was the worst example of TG's system. I have had plenty of my squad mates and squad leaders kicked out during rounds. In vanilla BF2 where squad leaders and cohesion mean little to nothing such kicks would be less annoying. In a game like PR where teamwork is stressed your kicking method seems obsurd... BUT it targets those who you want to pay. Its shrewd, and corporate. Thats all. If your offended by those statements then change your methods. Otherwise embrace them. What furthers my frustration and why I am harping on this is located here.....

http://realitymod.com/forum/t17219-are- ... pr-on.html
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Post by Determined »

vanity wrote:I'll probably join TG and pay for a slot on the server. I don't have a problem with paying anything under $10/mo for a dedicated slot, especially if I don't have to worry about being disconnected.

I think my main draw is that if it's made mostly of people who pay for slots, it should have a relatively low ratio of assbags who's main goal is to vehicle whore and ruin every else's fun. As soon as you bring money into the equation, it helps filter out the undesirables.

It's kind of like a gym. If you go to your local YMCA or cheap, $10/month Bally's...it's a dump. A dump filled with douchebags who don't know what the their doing and mostly just strut around, seemingly doing everything in their power to get assure they leave the premises on a stretcher. Then you've got the $50-70/mo gyms. Where its people who want to be there and do something positive, not just **** around b/c they're bored.

I vote we have more pay servers. I'd pay $15/mo if I had a choice of 3 of them.
I don't disagree with the theory of paying and those paying... blah blah blah. I disagree with the way the set it up on their server. I wouldn't want to be a paying member and have good guys from my squad kicked, even if they were non members. It's their right to run it the way they want. I have an equal right to voice my opinion about it.
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vanity
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Post by vanity »

Determined wrote: I wouldn't want to be a paying member and have good guys from my squad kicked, even if they were non members. It's their right to run it the way they want. I have an equal right to voice my opinion about it.
I agree with that and it's why I'm leaning towards paying for membership. If I decide I don't want to pay, I'll avoid that server in the future. Luckily there are quite a few PR servers going at all times so losing one isn't too much of a loss.
Determined
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Post by Determined »

Who hosts TG's server?

Hmmmmm is it their own?
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Guerra
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Post by Guerra »

I like the TG server quite a lot.

I can understand the kick script, but I would like to make a recommendation. First, don't kick commanders or squad leaders with more than 4 members. Kick players with negative teamwork scores, team kills, etc.

I really don't like being kicked or having a friend kicked when we are in a fully functional, cooperative squad when there is some poor player on the server. If I'm the worst of the lot, fine, kick me. But when I'm leading a squad and doing everything the commander says, I really don't want to be kicked and then have to wait TEN MINUTES to reconnect.

Other than that, great server.
Determined
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Post by Determined »

Guerra wrote:I like the TG server quite a lot.

I can understand the kick script, but I would like to make a recommendation. First, don't kick commanders or squad leaders with more than 4 members. Kick players with negative teamwork scores, team kills, etc.

I really don't like being kicked or having a friend kicked when we are in a fully functional, cooperative squad when there is some poor player on the server. If I'm the worst of the lot, fine, kick me. But when I'm leading a squad and doing everything the commander says, I really don't want to be kicked and then have to wait TEN MINUTES to reconnect.

Other than that, great server.
Changing it would work against their way of making it uncomfortable for non paying players. Your not likely to see them change it.
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Atomic Dog
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Post by Atomic Dog »

Determined wrote:Changing it would work against their way of making it uncomfortable for non paying players. Your not likely to see them change it.
I don't know how many more times this needs to be explained...

The AUTO-kick is not to sleight non-paying players. It's to accomodate the paying players while at the same time exacting an amount of fairness as to who gets kicked to make room for a supporting member. You make it sound like there's some kind of conspiracy to make money...you couldn't be more wrong. Nobody makes a dime off of TG...not even the owner. All the money that is payed by the supporting members goes right back into the TacticalGamer community. With it servers are purchased and maintained, web development etc. There's actually a post on our forums that details where the money goes. It's completely non-profit. So this idea of yours is completely absurd.
Raniak
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Post by Raniak »

|TG|Beatnik wrote:Sigh. As an admin at TG, it's frustrating to say the least to hear feedback like this. [...]
Why would I want to pay to join a server that kicked me for no reasons and destroyed half of my team play squads by kicking the squad leader ?
I agree that the 90s to squad up is great and it promote team play but I won't pay to play on a server even if it was filled with virgins...
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Post by RikiRude »

Locked, things are getting out of hand, there is no need to be so insulting towards other members of the Project Reality Community just because they don't agree with you. You guys talk about mature servers, act mature yourselves. If you don't like they way they run their server hop on another one or politly suggest how they should change it.
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