Devfile.com 24/7 Al Basrah IED Sampler

[[-doseph-]]

Try reading my post before you make an ignorant remark. I watched it because people said it was offensive. I wasn't watching it to see gameplay that I have seen in 100 other videos made in the same fashion, on the same locations, on the same map, using the exact same methods.

As such, the only reason people duplicate such videos is to show how they can do it better(skillz video), or by making it into a more cinematic(cool shots, different angles ect.) video. Seeing as how he accomplished neither of these, or that neither was apparent, I was curious as to why he made it.

This doesn't mean however that he isn't entitled or shouldn't make a video like this, or anyone for that matter. But the fact remains: there are many other videos showing the exact same thing, so why make a video that is no different from the others?

That was my question, WHY. If he just wanted to test his movie making abilities, fine. If he just wanted to make a fun video, fine. I don't care, but I am still curious.

[DirtyHarry88]

']Try reading my post before you make an ignorant remark. I watched it because people said it was offensive. I wasn't watching it to see gameplay that I have seen in 100 other videos made in the same fashion, on the same locations, on the same map, using the exact same methods.

As such, the only reason people duplicate such videos is to show how they can do it better(skillz video), or by making it into a more cinematic(cool shots, different angles ect.) video. Seeing as how he accomplished neither of these, or that neither was apparent, I was curious as to why he made it.

This doesn't meant however that he isn't entitled or shouldn't make a video like this, or anyone for that matter. But the fact remains: there are many other videos showing the exact same thing, so why make a video that is no different from the others?

That was my question, WHY. If he just wanted to test his movie making abilities, fine. If he just wanted to make a fun video, fine. I don't care, but I am still curious.

All he originally wanted to do was make a fun video until someone kicked up a fuss.

[Wraith]

If people can continue to be civil I will leave the thread open.

I operate under the theory of perception.
Perception=Reality
It isn't a matter of you didn't think the video was offensive or not. The "Issue" is some one took offense of the video. In the modern "Western" workplace offending a co-worker = you no longer have a job. I realize that is on the extream end of things but realy, who is to say that by you posting a video (game or not) of IED's killing US marines isn't going to offend Joe User who just got back to Britain/US after being in IRAQ and losing friends to IED's?

The fact is it was offensive. Just because it didn't offend every one doesn't make in less offensive when it comes to peoples perception of the video. After the reaction from the community in regards to another video like this posted recently I can only conclude you were attempting to draw the same response/critisism from your video.

Just out of curiosity I showed the video which I saved locally on my system here at work. To keep things analytical I didn't tell them what the video is about or why I was showing them. I found 4 guys from the same unit that returned from IRAQ 4 months ago. Here were the tests that I did with them

GUY 1: showed video with no prelude or background
Response: "Why would some one want to post a video depicting the killing of people using IED's?"

GUY2: Same setup
Response: "What game is that?" after explaining the mod (he already knew bf2) his next question was "I can't understand why kids think that killing each other wheather just playing or not is fun... War is not fun, IED's are not fun, KILLING is not fun" At this point he had to walk away as he was getting upset

GUY3: Told him this video was created by a US citizen and showed him the avatar only
Response: "where is this stupid mother fucker and where are his god damn perants that they let him post this shit" at which point he slugged me in the chest for showing it to him.

GUY4. Told him this video was created by a US citizen and showed him the avatar and the SIG but before I could show him the video he refused to watch and when I talked to him a little later about it we discussed the fact that the best man in his wedding had no legs and half his left arm due to an IED attack that left my GUY4 with one eye and half a cheek...

That's 4 people that were ready to kill some one based on a "Video" game and a sig and avatar that portrays somewhat accurately the killing of US troops. I kid you not when I say that one of these 4 was demanding an IP address and was getting his cell phone out to call Homeland Defense over this.

You might think it's funny, or even entertaining, hell maybe it is. What you didn't think of is how others would react (or maybe you did and that's the problem) Honestly, I don't care what you did or didn't think. It depicted the needless deaths of inocent people and that is never "Apropriate"for the younger viewers on these forums.


To clerify for some of our more dense members:
This post is refering to the blatent posting of "re-creations" of death scenes. It is not appropriate and will not be tolerated.

It is also a blanket request to please think not only about what you think of the videos but also what others may think. Also keep in mind that we have kids that are under 13 years old on the forums and what you may think is ok for others realy shouldn't be seen by them.

[[-doseph-]]

Well said, Wraith.

[SiN|ScarFace]

Wraith']If people can continue to be civil I will leave the thread open.

I operate under the theory of perception.
Perception=Reality
It isn't a matter of you didn't think the video was offensive or not. The "Issue" is some one took offense of the video. In the modern "Western" workplace offending a co-worker = you no longer have a job. I realize that is on the extream end of things but realy, who is to say that by you posting a video (game or not) of IED's killing US marines isn't going to offend Joe User who just got back to Britain/US after being in IRAQ and losing friends to IED's?

The fact is it was offensive. Just because it didn't offend every one doesn't make in less offensive when it comes to peoples perception of the video. After the reaction from the community in regards to another video like this posted recently I can only conclude you were attempting to draw the same response/critisism from your video.

Just out of curiosity I showed the video which I saved locally on my system here at work. To keep things analytical I didn't tell them what the video is about or why I was showing them. I found 4 guys from the same unit that returned from IRAQ 4 months ago. Here were the tests that I did with them

GUY 1: showed video with no prelude or background
Response: "Why would some one want to post a video depicting the killing of people using IED's?"

GUY2: Same setup
Response: "What game is that?" after explaining the mod (he already knew bf2) his next question was "I can't understand why kids think that killing each other wheather just playing or not is fun... War is not fun, IED's are not fun, KILLING is not fun" At this point he had to walk away as he was getting upset

GUY3: Told him this video was created by a US citizen and showed him the avatar only
Response: "where is this stupid mother fucker and where are his god damn perants that they let him post this shit" at which point he slugged me in the chest for showing it to him.

GUY4. Told him this video was created by a US citizen and showed him the avatar and the SIG but before I could show him the video he refused to watch and when I talked to him a little later about it we discussed the fact that the best man in his wedding had no legs and half his left arm due to an IED attack that left my GUY4 with one eye and half a cheek...

That's 4 people that were ready to kill some one based on a "Video" game and a sig and avatar that portrays somewhat accurately the killing of US troops. I kid you not when I say that one of these 4 was demanding an IP address and was getting his cell phone out to call Homeland Defense over this.

You might think it's funny, or even entertaining, hell maybe it is. What you didn't think of is how others would react (or maybe you did and that's the problem) Honestly, I don't care what you did or didn't think. It depicted the needless deaths of inocent people and that is never "Apropriate"for the younger viewers on these forums.

Where are the people getting killed, I missed that part of the video. I only saw 0s 1s being simulated.

And your friends didn't care that you are part of a MOD team that makes the creation of such videos possible? You expected a different reaction from war vets at the recreation of what they have experienced? You made them watch it, people here choose to click or not and if you have problems viewing IEDs why would you watch a video depicting them being used?

Lock it now, for the good of us all.

[Desertfox]

Wraith']If people can continue to be civil I will leave the thread open.

I operate under the theory of perception.
Perception=Reality
It isn't a matter of you didn't think the video was offensive or not. The "Issue" is some one took offense of the video. In the modern "Western" workplace offending a co-worker = you no longer have a job. I realize that is on the extream end of things but realy, who is to say that by you posting a video (game or not) of IED's killing US marines isn't going to offend Joe User who just got back to Britain/US after being in IRAQ and losing friends to IED's?

The fact is it was offensive. Just because it didn't offend every one doesn't make in less offensive when it comes to peoples perception of the video. After the reaction from the community in regards to another video like this posted recently I can only conclude you were attempting to draw the same response/critisism from your video.

Just out of curiosity I showed the video which I saved locally on my system here at work. To keep things analytical I didn't tell them what the video is about or why I was showing them. I found 4 guys from the same unit that returned from IRAQ 4 months ago. Here were the tests that I did with them

GUY 1: showed video with no prelude or background
Response: "Why would some one want to post a video depicting the killing of people using IED's?"

GUY2: Same setup
Response: "What game is that?" after explaining the mod (he already knew bf2) his next question was "I can't understand why kids think that killing each other wheather just playing or not is fun... War is not fun, IED's are not fun, KILLING is not fun" At this point he had to walk away as he was getting upset

GUY3: Told him this video was created by a US citizen and showed him the avatar only
Response: "where is this stupid mother fucker and where are his god damn perants that they let him post this shit" at which point he slugged me in the chest for showing it to him.

GUY4. Told him this video was created by a US citizen and showed him the avatar and the SIG but before I could show him the video he refused to watch and when I talked to him a little later about it we discussed the fact that the best man in his wedding had no legs and half his left arm due to an IED attack that left my GUY4 with one eye and half a cheek...

That's 4 people that were ready to kill some one based on a "Video" game and a sig and avatar that portrays somewhat accurately the killing of US troops. I kid you not when I say that one of these 4 was demanding an IP address and was getting his cell phone out to call Homeland Defense over this.

You might think it's funny, or even entertaining, hell maybe it is. What you didn't think of is how others would react (or maybe you did and that's the problem) Honestly, I don't care what you did or didn't think. It depicted the needless deaths of inocent people and that is never "Apropriate"for the younger viewers on these forums.


To clerify for some of our more dense members:
This post is refering to the blatent posting of "re-creations" of death scenes. It is not appropriate and will not be tolerated.

It is also a blanket request to please think not only about what you think of the videos but also what others may think. Also keep in mind that we have kids that are under 13 years old on the forums and what you may think is ok for others realy shouldn't be seen by them.

Im not saying that I support the video but like the guy above me said, they dont care that you are apart of the team that made the mod? The people you showed it to do not care about the fact that we are shooting each other?

After re-reading Wraith's post I think I should stop shouting the praises. That really is going over the top.

[Wraith]

I'm not going to get into how information can be twisted to suite ones needs. I will say this, there is a big difference between the factory worker that makes the bullet and the kid who takes a gun into the school and uses that bullet to kill his fellow students or the soldier who kills using the bullet.

[[-doseph-]]

Where are the people getting killed, I missed that part of the video. I only saw 0s 1s being simulated.

And your friends didn't care that you are part of a MOD team that makes the creation of such videos possible? You expected a different reaction from war vets at the recreation of what they have experienced? You made them watch it, people here choose to click or not and if you have problems viewing IEDs why would you watch a video depicting them being used?

Lock it now, for the good of us all.

Elementary opinions for the win. If someone killed a child, and that someone didn't ask anyone else to watch it, does that make it any less horrifying or despicable?

The fact that he didn't ask anyone to watch it doesn't nullify the fact that there is a video depicting people being killed by IED's in a questionable manner. Your entire statement is completely unrealistic and silly. He made the video so people would watch it. It is only when people don't like the video that someone uses that childish and hollow comeback of "I never asked you to watch it! har har! I'm clever!"

[Desertfox]

By the people who Wraith talked to about war being no fun, which it isnt. Cant Maistros's movie also be classified as offensive? Its a movie about killing people isnt it?

[Wasteland]

JP says the sniper video is ok because it shows skillz, but this one is not ok because vehicles are being blown up which is too close to real life? lol yet showing actual sniper kills on soldiers in a game video is somehow less offensive, esp when we are actually viewing a simulated death of a simulated soldier. Last time I checked PR has nothing to do with real life and real death. It's ok to kill and blow things up during actual gameplay but to film it and post it on the net and you become somehow affiliated with real militants? Even tho everyone here has played the insurgent side in the game. The holier than thou shit gets old.

First off, I don't appreciate your tone. I don't want to see this thread locked.

Pretty much everything I have to say in response, I've already said on this thread. Apparently you didn't read it though.

I didn't say this video was necassarily offensive. I did say that it, especially with the proposed red arrows designating intended targets and flag in the corner, was a rather offhand way to deal with the subject matter. I stand by that.

The sniper video is less offensive in my own opinion because it demonstrates very good sniper skills. The flag and music can be seen as an attempt to add to the immersion of the video, though it does seem in poor taste to me. But because it has value as a skills video, it isn't just a simple recreation of Iraqi insurgent videos. IED ambushes are easy to do, and can even be done in vanilla BF2. So the video didn't show off unique skills or the benefits of this mod. Therefore the only value in the video I can see is as a recreation of RL insurgent videos.

There's nothing wrong with filming IED ambushes. Deserfox made one such video and I had no problem with it. I even identified some useful tactics in his video, such as using background objects as reference points to remember the IED location.

But when one adds the other aspects, and appears to attempt to make their video mimic RL insurgent videos as much as possible, I feel it crosses a line.

[Wasteland]

By the people who Wraith talked to about war being no fun, which it isnt. Cant Maistros's movie also be classified as offensive? Its a movie about killing people isnt it?

Were you on vacation during all the controversy created by that video?

[DkMick]

Very good point Desertfox.

Personally, I think neither are offensive. I think it's silly making a video about a video game in the first place. I also have the cognitive capacity to realize it's just that, a video game. But, as Wraith pointed out, I'm sure there are others that do not. People on these boards take things way to far and it's laughable watching some get on their e-pulpits to preach to the masses.

In closing, keep arguing about stupid shit - it gives me something to read at work!!

[SiN|ScarFace]

Wraith']I'm not going to get into how information can be twisted to suite ones needs. I will say this, there is a big difference between the factory worker that makes the bullet and the kid who takes a gun into the school and uses that bullet to kill his fellow students or the soldier who kills using the bullet.

And if the worker is making improvised explosive devices then your analogy would also apply? Perhaps in a lighter shade of gray.

[Desertfox]

Were you on vacation during all the controversy created by that video?

I mean the promotional one, like the one that was released a couple days before .5 No one had a problem with that nor will anyone have a problem with the one that he is doing now. They depict killing just as this video has, but no one has a problem with it.

[Cheeseman]

So does this mean I can't post a link in the forums about a video I'm making in which I'm playing as in insurgent in PR? In my video I'm not trying to re-in act what the terrorists in Iraq or Afghanistan are doing or anything like that (Although even playing as an insurgent in PR is actually role-playing what’s real). In my video I'm just playing PR, but as an insurgent. I don't have any anti American or "Allah Akbar" slogans in the video; I'm just playing the game. The only thing I can think of which might be insensitive for some of the viewers, is clips of me ramming suicide cars into tanks and APC's. I think its fair to say, that the Americans in PR have A-10's, Cobras, and various of other kinds of armored vehicles, but since I'm playing as an insurgent, the only vehicle I have which is any use in stopping the opponent from moving forward into the next objective is my suicide car. So basically in the video I’m making, I’m not trying to show my support or try to intentionally act out any of the senseless acts of hatred and terrorism to emotionally hurt anyone. So in conclusion I just wanted to know if I can share the video with the PR community or not, as my only intentions are to show my game play as an insurgent in PR.

[*spacecadett*]

maybe not a useful point to make but considering the marine side of this whole thing shouldn't the flip side be taken in account. the thing is i just don't see to many insurgents playing pr. but as such wouldn't one consider a video of US marines killing insurgents just as offensive as vice versa. there is just no one to take up their case.

should we ban gameplay videos? hell no
as stated earlier you don't have to click the link if you don't want to.


might be a stupid post but thats what came to my mind after reading Wraiths post

[DirtyHarry88]

I mean the promotional one, like the one that was released a couple days before .5 No one had a problem with that nor will anyone have a problem with the one that he is doing now. They depict killing just as this video has, but no one has a problem with it.

I mentioned wouldn't the whole point in playing the game be classed as offensive and my post got deleted.

What is it with this place, you have a mature argument about something and when you prove a mod wrong your post gets deleted.

[DarkElf]

i find this a joke. anyone who finds this offensive shouldn't be playing this game in the first place.

[Outlaw289]

The holier than thou shit gets old.

Your sig says otherwise.

[SiN|ScarFace]

Your sig says otherwise.

If you want to get personal pm me.