Insurgent mobile AA.......video example included!

Master Shake · Post by **Master Shake** » 2007-03-07 13:28

Ok,...so how about adding mobile AA for the insurgents?

Here is an video example of it actually at work..***This is new video and people get blowed up but its not really visually graphic but thats for you to judge***.......but I warn you the Colition forces bomb the **** out of them when they park it....

Insurgent mobile AA vid : http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 9204&hl=en

Could be a usefull addition to Albasra and air power based maps in the future......just don't park it and walk across a field and hide in some trees......

LiquidSnake · Post by **LiquidSnake** » 2007-03-07 14:08

I think Basrah is fine in regard to aa vs chopper/planes balance. SA7 rly works now. Properly used the SA7 can put the fear of Hell into chopper pilots

but nice suggestion though.

secret.squirrul · Post by **secret.squirrul** » 2007-03-07 15:50

This is in regards to the video, not the suggestion: Sweeeeet. Owned.

Master Shake · Post by **Master Shake** » 2007-03-07 16:11

I only bring up mobile AA for the insurgents to give it as another realistic option,.....the vid was just to show real word evidence that it is being used....thats all,........

WNxKenwayy · Post by **WNxKenwayy** » 2007-03-07 17:55

There's a balance between being used and being used often. That's the first time I'd ever heard/seen insurgents using what appears to be an AA gun, no idea which one or the make/model. Find it the ultimate of what looks to be Air Force stupidity that they blew the fucking thing up instead of going to investigate where it came from.

lonelyjew · Post by **lonelyjew** » 2007-03-07 18:34

Great find and idea. I think it would be an awesome addition to any insurgent map. I think it'd be more then fare to take out two of the aaa's from Basrah and put in one of these puppies.

WNxKenwayy wrote:That's the first time I'd ever heard/seen insurgents using what appears to be an AA gun, no idea which one or the make/model. Find it the ultimate of what looks to be Air Force stupidity that they blew the fucking thing up instead of going to investigate where it came from.

Yeah what idiots, they obviously have no intelligence of such things because you don't. You should be made commander in chief.

Post by **77SiCaRiO77** » 2007-03-07 18:35

if they have one .50 cal per truck , its so dificult to put 4 in one truck and call it AA gun?

that would be a nice adition to basrah or the incoming fallujah

lonelyjew · Post by **lonelyjew** » 2007-03-07 18:37

Well they already have the quad 20mm(I think that's what it is) so why not just throw one of those on the back of a semi?

Soulja · Post by **Soulja** » 2007-03-07 21:44

I'd like to see a Quad .50 on a flatbed truck or something, or maybe a 40mm cannon or something? I've heard of insurgents having old flak guns and stuff. A 40mm cannon on Al Basrah would be nice. Slow rate of fire, hard to use, easy target, but even with modern planes, a 40mm HE or Flak round would tear a plane apart with a direct hit and do some serious damage to choppers.

Smitty4212 · Post by **Smitty4212** » 2007-03-07 21:49

WNxKenwayy wrote:There's a balance between being used and being used often. That's the first time I'd ever heard/seen insurgents using what appears to be an AA gun, no idea which one or the make/model. Find it the ultimate of what looks to be Air Force stupidity that they blew the fucking thing up instead of going to investigate where it came from.

It's not like it was shooting lasers or plasma globs, I hardly think it was worth anyone's time to investigate. It was probably something makeshift, or just an older piece of equipment, and either case it's not really worth more than a few bullets and a bomb.

ReadMenace · Post by **ReadMenace** » 2007-03-07 22:04

WNxKenwayy wrote:There's a balance between being used and being used often. That's the first time I'd ever heard/seen insurgents using what appears to be an AA gun, no idea which one or the make/model. Find it the ultimate of what looks to be Air Force stupidity that they blew the fucking thing up instead of going to investigate where it came from.

People in Military Intelligence have books & books full of foreign military hardware; I'm sure they know what it is and likely where it came from.

-REad

ZanderArch · Post by **ZanderArch** » 2007-03-07 22:26

So basically, you're asking for a Technical with an AA load out, which in this game boils down to taking the fixed MEC/Insurg AA platforms and putting them on the Pick Up Truck Base?

Sounds good, but it'd need a massive boost in power to compensate for the lack of AA Missiles that the other AA Tanks of the more professional military organization in this game have.

lonelyjew · Post by **lonelyjew** » 2007-03-07 22:43

Nah, no balance needed. Their tanks and apc's are crappy when compared to the other factions so why does this have to be any different. Frankly, I'd like it to be an open aaa mounted on an unarmored truck that would go down with one hit from a light AT. Insurgents are supposed to use their things with extreme care because they don't get much in the way of heavy military hardware.

ReadMenace · Post by **ReadMenace** » 2007-03-07 22:53

lonelyjew wrote:Nah, no balance needed. Their tanks and apc's are crappy when compared to the other factions so why does this have to be any different. Frankly, I'd like it to be an open aaa mounted on an unarmored truck that would go down with one hit from a light AT. Insurgents are supposed to use their things with extreme care because they don't get much in the way of heavy military hardware.

Lonely is right, even though they have Tanks and APCs (Lets hope they get AAA trucks too) they are not intended to go toe-to-toe with their American counterparts. While the Abrams is safest in an open field, using it's armor and firepower to defend itself; the T62 is best hidden in an alleyway, waiting for an unsuspecting ******(Tank, APC, A10, Cobra, Blackhawk) to enter it's field of fire. A pickup with the AAA mounted in the back would function great for the Insurgents; totally dead roaming in the open, but an unpleasant suprise for US pilots (Or infantry

).

ZanderArch · Post by **ZanderArch** » 2007-03-07 23:20

I didn't mean vs. other vehicles, I meant vs. Aircraft.

If it is only going to have bullet spitting AA guns, then it'd require the user to lead the aircraft, and hit him quite a few times compared to the other faction's AA units, like the US Linebacker or the PLA's Type 95, both of which have four Lock-On Fire-and-forgets which make them as useful as they are vs. Aircraft if they can get a lock on them.

ReadMenace · Post by **ReadMenace** » 2007-03-07 23:40

ZanderArch wrote:I didn't mean vs. other vehicles, I meant vs. Aircraft.

If it is only going to have bullet spitting AA guns, then it'd require the user to lead the aircraft, and hit him quite a few times compared to the other faction's AA units, like the US Linebacker or the PLA's Type 95, both of which have four Lock-On Fire-and-forgets which make them as useful as they are vs. Aircraft if they can get a lock on them.

Zander: As is the Insurgents are dealing with fixed AAA, and MANPADS. Giving them a mobile AAA piece would be in its own right a great improvement in power for the Insurgents. As is, if a Cobra/A10/Blackhawk is taking AAA fire, they know it is coming from a limited number of places, thus making it easy to destroy. By making mobile AAA, Insurgents could adopt a shoot-n-scoot tactic where they put fire on aircraft from one position, then relocate.

Eddie Baker · Post by **Eddie Baker** » 2007-03-08 00:14

It looks like it might be a ZPU-4 mounted in the back of a truck. This tactic was used by both sides during the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan; in units that did not have ZSU-23-4 support, the ZPU-4 could be placed in the back of a truck during convoy operations through the mountain passes, because its elevation is higher than that of the weapons organic to the other fighting vehicles.

I have seen photos of the ZU-23 mounted on a flatbed from a retired SF operator's tour in Afghanistan.

Raniak · Post by **Raniak** » 2007-03-08 01:40

*shrug*

WNxKenwayy · Post by **WNxKenwayy** » 2007-03-08 05:09

Really, Air Force knows where that AA gun came from? This the same air force I watched on a UAV screen drop a 2000 pound bomb on the wrong house because the pilot couldn't understand the difference between a 3 story and a 1 story house?

For those that haven't been to Iraq, let me break it down for you. The air force is INCREDIBLY stupid when it comes to intelligence, ridiculously stupid. I literally can't count the number of times we got 'intel' (AHAHAHAHA) from them.

If they had just been laying IED's, fine blow them, the truck, and the building it was parked at to hell. But given how rare of an ocurance this is, and again for those that HAVEN'T been to Iraq, word travels very very quickly over there about something like this, it would be very valuable intel. Now I'm sure a ground team came in right after to investigate the house and neighborhood, but after watching numerous computers, video cameras, PDA's, cell phones, etc be destroyed because some god damn moron (read officer) wanted to make something go boom and perhaps cost the lives of some of my friends from lost intel, yeah it pisses me off a little.

In order to acquire, fit, maintain, and supply a AA gun while in Iraq as an insurgency would require a decent support base. High value equipment which a working AA cannon would qualify as means those being allowed to operate it are connected with a much larger group.