More powerful/intimidating artillery?

KineWone · Post by **KineWone** » 2007-03-14 21:46

If this has been requested before, my apologies. I took a quick search but didn't find anything similar to this request.

As it is we have beefed up bullet snaps to help with immersion and to help people think twice before moving. But what about artillery? It might be just me, but it seems a bit weak at this point.

So is it possible to make artillery a little more intimidating? As it is, artillery seems more of a nuisance then the fear-inspiring tool it should be. What I mean is is that when the arty starts falling, instead of "ah ****, arty. Everyone pull back 5m to juuust outside of where its falling" the reaction should be "hoooooooly sheeeeeeet!" like the Almighty has taken a personal interest in your demise.

Now when you're inside the kill zone of an arty strike, your world shakes and all that good stuff, but if you're just outside of where it's falling, I dunno, to me it seems a little weak like the arty might as well be across the map. Arty starts falling and both sides pull back just enough not to be killed, then eveyone falls back into the fighting.

Personally, I'd like to see a large radius outside of the killzone where one is dazed for a bit afterwards. Kind of like when you stand beside a tank when it shoots.

Who knows, maybe if this were implemented it might make people think a bit more before using arty. No more calling in arty when you're engaged in a firefight 20m away from the enemy because everyone in the vicinity is going to be stunned for a bit.

Thoughts?

Post by **Mongolian_dude** » 2007-03-14 22:10

Hmmm, maybe a not 'insta death' but bloody huge blast radius could be put around each blast from a shell.
Also more deviation and increase the suppression radius and make the suppression last for about 5seconds after the rounds have stopped going off. Maybe leave a little smoke behind, but im sure thats been said before.

...mongol...

Doc_Frank · Post by **Doc_Frank** » 2007-03-14 22:13

Maybe if the buildings could be really blown up as you plan them to, artillery would have a lot more weight.

KineWone · Post by **KineWone** » 2007-03-14 22:27

'[R-MOD wrote:Mongolian_dude']Hmmm, maybe a not 'insta death' but bloody huge blast radius could be put around each blast from a shell.
Also more deviation and increase the suppression radius and make the suppression last for about 5seconds after the rounds have stopped going off. Maybe leave a little smoke behind, but im sure thats been said before.

...mongol...

Mongol, now that us what I am talkin about!

Sneak Attack · Post by **Sneak Attack** » 2007-03-14 22:30

at least make it sound 10x more bad ***, it should sound like thunder if it is going down on one side of a map and im on the other.

Guerra · Post by **Guerra** » 2007-03-14 22:41

Yeah artillery is rather funny, it starts falling and my squad and I hide under a thin tin roof and we all survive without a scratch, despite some close hits.

Should be pumped insanely. (Think artillery howitzer barrage from Company of Heroes)

KineWone · Post by **KineWone** » 2007-03-14 23:01

Sneak, bang on about the sound as well.

I know someone posted this before, but imagine being on the recieving end of this lil doozy?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1UCEDJo9EtY

NYgurkha · Post by **NYgurkha** » 2007-03-14 23:42

Wow, those shells took a long time to travel..

/anyone got that video of insurgent taping thier mortar shot then having thier post poudnded by US return fire? The sound in that was amzing.

PS: found it http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=f736a_4507
just listen to that, makes me cringe with fear!

Rick_the_new_guy · Post by **Rick_the_new_guy** » 2007-03-15 01:20

'[R-MOD wrote:Mongolian_dude']Hmmm, maybe a not 'insta death' but bloody huge blast radius could be put around each blast from a shell.
Also more deviation and increase the suppression radius and make the suppression last for about 5seconds after the rounds have stopped going off. Maybe leave a little smoke behind, but im sure thats been said before.

...mongol...

Totally,

From what I understand the rocks from the insurgents can make a player loss consciousness.

Can we have it set up so players who are nearby a arty/mortor drop get knocked over and be out of it for a few seconds.?

wpgcivic · Post by **wpgcivic** » 2007-03-15 01:30

that is awesome...i love arty

[T]Terranova7 · Post by **[T]Terranova7** » 2007-03-15 01:56

The thing is, from what I'm told VBF2 artillery can't be altered. Though, if PR could create their own custom commader's artillery barrage, I'd love to see the artillery a little more powerful, effective and useful.

As it stands, it seems that unless you're hit by artillery directly and killed, you can come out of a barrage completely unharmed. I think most survivors should find themselves wounded or extremely disoriented. By disoriented I mean that players should experience some pretty bad shell shock for a good 15 to 30 seconds. This way, even after the barrage has ceased, assaulting forces will still have a slight advantage if they strike quickly.

And for more special effects, how about some burning fires (similar to the moltovs) last for a good minute or so after the barrage. Combined with some leftover smoke (like mongol suggested) would definately make the aftermath of an artillery barrage pretty cool looking.

Griffon2-6 · Post by **Griffon2-6** » 2007-03-15 02:16

No, I think the launch sounds can be changed, and same with the explosions.

Expendable Grunt · Post by **Expendable Grunt** » 2007-03-15 02:21

I'm for the smoke trails/fire bit, there should be SOMETHING bad about charging through an area that just got lit up.

Too bad we don't have geomod for craters!

How about smoke artillery? Lands a big smoke cloud, or several of them, in addition to the shell artillery ability.

Guerra · Post by **Guerra** » 2007-03-15 02:45

I don't know about you guys, but it sounds amazing as it is. I've got these logitech z-5300e speakers, big subwoofer, 5 speakers surround, and I put the sound to Ultra High and when artillery hits, it really hits.

midnightcowboy · Post by **midnightcowboy** » 2007-03-15 23:46

That video is really scary, i'd want to see that implemented!

[3rd]Sonders · Post by **[3rd]Sonders** » 2007-03-16 02:57

I think EA hardcoded things in the engine so that modders cant make a better game than them. F*ckin EA!

kurtmax_0 · Post by **kurtmax_0** » 2007-03-16 03:58

I don't know if the CoH type arty would work. It looks and sounds good, but it only damages on a direct hit.

I think the arty might work much better if there is a much larger splash damage and suppression radius. Maybe the splash damage doesn't instakill or something.

Arty isn't even in most maps so it's not a big deal probably...

In fact, how arty works in BF2 is rather corny, I wouldn't mind getting rid of it altogether.

Rick_the_new_guy · Post by **Rick_the_new_guy** » 2007-03-16 04:08

I think arty will be reworked later just to include mortars or something.

The kill radius of a mortor is atcually pretty high in real life. Way more than the current arty.

I remember the splash damage in .4 to be way more than in .5.

Am I right?

Cyber-Couch · Post by **Cyber-Couch** » 2007-03-16 04:23

Yup, mortars are supposedly going to be in the game as artillary. Although, a 60mm mortar has a kill radius about the same as a M67 hand grenade which is 5 meters. There are bigger mortars though.

The devs have also stated a few times that artillary is hardcoded, nothing can be changed about it.

causticbeat · Post by **causticbeat** » 2007-03-16 07:56

I think arty is hardcoded... but if not, id love to see a larger (10-20m) blast radius of each shell, but have the shells be much further apart,like 30 seconds between shell