Question about civilians

DarkTalon · Post by **DarkTalon** » 2007-03-26 05:33

youm0nt wrote:A civilian kill is worse, it causes a ticket punishment to the team that killed the civilian

I meant in real life, if a soldier accidentally kills a civilian is it worse than killing one of his comrades?
this should effect the ticket/point reductions.

saxojon · Post by **saxojon** » 2007-03-26 12:58

Is this gonna be coop-ish? I see it like this:

Its based on the coop mode with one team being al human (USMC/GB etc) and one team being human/bot (insurgents). All insurgents spawn as civilian (bots included) and can then pick up "insurgent kits" by request, limiting the insurgents to max the amount of human players on that team (wich btw should be fewer than on the opposing team although they togeter with the bots outnumber the opposing team). Also, insurgents and civilians should have the same skin. All insurgent classes should have 'stone' or whatever in their kits to blend in with civs. If possible (even though its probably not) remove the sprint button on insurgents and make it into a walk-button instead and make it 'always active' on bots (so we dont have running civs everywhere).

Or am I totally not getting this?

saxojon · Post by **saxojon** » 2007-03-26 13:32

'[R-PUB wrote:Garabaldi']Can't do AI 'bots' properly AFAIK. If it was plausible, it would probably cause the servers too much stress.

I was under the impression that it was a requestable kit.

There are several coop-servers in vBF2. Why wouldnt one with limited kits for bots work? Or is it programming behaviour thats the problem (passive by default and agressive when attacked etc.)?

Master Shake · Post by **Master Shake** » 2007-03-26 14:09

Ok, I have 10 questions about the insurgent civialian class?

1. Is the civilian class going to spawn where everyone else spawns or have you created a "Conveinent Store" for them to spawn out of?

2. As a civilain is one of the options in your kit a "prayer rug" that you can throw out and kneel on so you cannot be arrested?

3. Have you added any slurr's specific to the civilian class that we will here them yell at the US/Brits?
Example:........"Go home yankee dog"........"Allah Akbar"......"Dirka,Dirka,Dirka"........"Goat Jerky Two dollars"

4. Will the civilain class be wearing traditional arab garb, or will they be wearing "Chicago Bears 2006 Superbowl Champs" shirts and hats?

5. Will there be any female civilians? Or will that also be a kit option you could use a few times to avoid arrest? If so will they be running around making that god aweful "lalalalalalalalalalalalala" noise?

6. If you kill multiple civilains in could a commander have an option to give you a 1-2 minute additional spawn penalty if he deems your actions as intentional?

7. Will a civilain be able to conspire with the US/Brit forces? Or will you add a friendly conspiritor to the US/Brit forces in the future?? (could be intresting)

8. Will the civilain class have more sprint stamina?

9. If a civilain does not throw rocks will he be able to get arrested? Or can you lock him from getting arrested until he throws a rock? That way the US does not have probable cause and does not just arrest everybody.

10. What will they scream when I shoot them?

Rick_the_new_guy · Post by **Rick_the_new_guy** » 2007-03-26 14:19

Master Shake wrote: 4. Will the civilain class be wearing traditional arab garb, or will they be wearing "Chicago Bears 2007 Superbowl Champs" shirts and hats?

LOL, Yes, this must happen. LOL. I fixed the year for you.

Master Shake wrote:
8. Will the civilain class have more sprint stamina?

I understand their stamina will be reduced in order to allow the jarheads a better chance to run down and knife, er.... arrest them.

Master Shake · Post by **Master Shake** » 2007-03-26 14:49

Rick_the_new_guy wrote:LOL, Yes, this must happen. LOL. I fixed the year for you.

I understand their stamina will be reduced in order to allow the jarheads a better chance to run down and knife, er.... arrest them.

2006 was the correct year the Bears lost the Super Bowl......thats when the NFL ships all the useless premade Super Bowl loser stuff to the 3rd world nations...

Maistros · Post by **Maistros** » 2007-03-26 15:01

Civilians wear Nikes.

Master Shake · Post by **Master Shake** » 2007-03-26 15:31

'[R-PUB wrote:Maistros']Civilians wear Nikes.

Hmm.......I would have though with the whole focus on realism that they would be wearing Puma? Unless your talking about Chinese civilians then it makes sense....

Speaking of Chinese civilians if they are added I have 10 questions...

1. Will Chinese civilians know Kung-fu?

2. Will the Chinese civilianas be able to run across the tree tops?

3. Will the Chinese civilians be able to infiltrate US/British bases by offering to do there laundry?

4. Will they come in Yao-Ming size?

5. Will you be penalized more if you kill them while they are doing Tai-Chi?

6. Will they run realy slow with short choppy steps?

7. Will the yell things like,... "Go home GI"......"We no want you here"........"you die now Joe"........"you want young girl?"....

8. Will they be able to fish in the rivers to get health if there injured?

9. If you have female Chinese civilians will there feet be bound?

10. Since there communist will we be punished for killing them?

El_Vikingo · Post by **El_Vikingo** » 2007-03-26 15:56

DarkTalon wrote:I meant in real life, if a soldier accidentally kills a civilian is it worse than killing one of his comrades?
this should effect the ticket/point reductions.

Not if you plant a gun in the dead guys hand! j/k

Wouldn't they be wearing sandles? j/k

Dyer |3-5| · Post by **Dyer |3-5|** » 2007-03-26 16:28

They should absolutely be able to pick up other kits. I have not been in combat but my understanding is that often a "civilian" will be running around unarmed, pop into a house, and come out spraying an AK or launching an RPG at you.
Giving them the ability to pickup kits will force the USMC to arrest them and also to watch them carefully thus adding to the realism, intensity, and skill required to play.

Hides-His-Eyes · Post by **Hides-His-Eyes** » 2007-03-26 17:12

'[R-DEV wrote:eggman']Yeah we'd like to do something like that in the future .. would be a separate game mode and could possibly be where we go with insurgency in general. Need to see how the initial civilian stuff pans out.

sounds fantastic, as long as the insurgents have a hope in hell (would have to map veyr carefully to balance giving insurgents a chance with realistic map layouts etc.)

however i think in a way it would be pretty even because no USMC could open fire without basically checking the person they've seen is actually armed

fOgGy · Post by **fOgGy** » 2007-03-26 22:53

The only useful thing a civilian can do is scream and possibly be a rape magnet if it were a female.

El_Vikingo · Post by **El_Vikingo** » 2007-03-26 22:55

fOgGy wrote:The only useful thing a civilian can do is scream.

They could rip some screams from the Team America movie; lalalalalalala!! or Durka durka. That could bring some atmosphere into the game.

Imagine a U.S. SpecOps behind enemy lines...then he hears a whisper...Durka?

vanity · Post by **vanity** » 2007-03-26 23:07

LMFAO

DarkTalon · Post by **DarkTalon** » 2007-03-27 02:06

perhaps change the knife model to a wire tie handcuff in a later release?

workingrobbie · Post by **workingrobbie** » 2007-03-27 03:13

DarkTalon wrote:perhaps change the knife model to a wire tie handcuff in a later release?

One of the devs said they're planning to do this.

leemunger · Post by **leemunger** » 2007-03-27 06:10

if you kill a civilian and the team who killed him gets ticket reduction as a penelty then wouldnt you have guys playing civians intentionally run into the middle of battle trying to get hit by enemy fire also if they pickup a kit on the ground there acuracy should be off drematicly and when spotting one the mini map color be if usmc arrests a civian what happens to him next what type of transportation will be available to them

zeroburrito · Post by **zeroburrito** » 2007-03-27 06:34

I would play a civi and just run infront of the insurgents so they can win alot easier, get like 10 civis around a tank so a10 wont bomb it and if they do they hurt their team alot.

Dylan · Post by **Dylan** » 2007-03-27 08:55

zeroburrito wrote:I would play a civi and just run infront of the insurgents so they can win alot easier, get like 10 civis around a tank so a10 wont bomb it and if they do they hurt their team alot.

LOL!!! That might actually happen, I wouldn't be surprised. If we were able to (and I am not a coder) produce a radius around vehicles in which removes the penalty for killing them, then we wont have that problem. But I do foresee this as a big selfish, and childish act that will happen a lot.