tank retro fit

derrickkolba · Post by **derrickkolba** » 2007-03-05 03:03

i see that the tanks in the game do not have urban retro fit that they have put on most tanks in iraq. will this be added ?can it be added?

trogdor1289 · Post by **trogdor1289** » 2007-03-05 03:44

Given how it will involve a lot of modeling not anytime soon is your answer.

Raniak · Post by **Raniak** » 2007-03-05 04:12

What is Tanks Retro fit ?

Post by **Bob_Marley** » 2007-03-05 04:24

Tank Urban Survival Kit for M1A2

The Tank Urban Survival Kit, or TUSK, is a series of improvements to the M1 Abrams intended to improve fighting ability in urban environments. Historically, urban and other close battlefields have been the worst place for tanks to fight—a tank's front armor is much stronger than that on the sides, top, or rear, and in an urban environment, attacks can come from any direction, and attackers can get close enough to reliably hit weak points in the tank's armor, or get sufficient elevation to hit the top armor square on.

Armor upgrades include reactive armor on the sides of the tank and slat armor (similar to that on the Stryker) on the rear to protect against rocket-propelled grenades and other shaped charge warheads.

A gun shield and a thermal sight system are added to the loader's top-mounted M240B 7.62 mm machine gun, and a Kongsberg Gruppen Remote Weapon Turret carrying a .50 caliber machine gun (again similar to that used on the Stryker) is in place of the tank commander's original .50 caliber machine gun mount, wherein the commander had to expose himself to fire the weapon manually. An exterior telephone allows supporting infantry to communicate with the tank commander.

The TUSK system is a field-installable kit that allows tanks to be upgraded without needing to be recalled to a maintenance depot.

While the reactive armor may not be needed in most situations in maneuver warfare, items like the rear slat armor, loader's gun shield, infantry phone (which has already seen use on Marine Corps M1A1s as early as 2003), and Kongsberg Remote Weapons Station for the .50 caliber machine gun will be added to the entire M1A2 fleet over time.

In addition to this, a Transparent Armor Gun Shield may also be implemented as part of this kit, as it's already seeing use on some Abrams serving in Iraq.

That, apparently.

Silens.Intro · Post by **Silens.Intro** » 2007-03-05 04:53

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M1_Abrams# ... t_for_M1A2

Lucid Nightmare · Post by **Lucid Nightmare** » 2007-03-05 05:21

I have. Never knew about the phone though. Rather amusing.

MikeAP · Post by **MikeAP** » 2007-03-05 05:23

Hey sorry to burst your bubbles but the TUSK isnt being used by our (US forces) and was scrapped from production a while ago. Was going to cost WAY to much. Instead we have whats called the M1A2 SEP (System Enhancement Package) do a google search for details.

Its got some NICe toys on it though. Would be way too hard for PR team to model these things (autmated .50, 25x zoom, commanders independent thermal viewer)

El_Vikingo · Post by **El_Vikingo** » 2007-03-05 11:18

I was thinking about adding tusks to the tank, to stab people with.

gandhicakes · Post by **gandhicakes** » 2007-03-05 19:38

I've seen that gun shield on Humvees before, it looks ALOT easier to see what's going on rather than sitting behind a 1/2 inch steel plate.

derrickkolba · Post by **derrickkolba** » 2007-03-05 19:39

still somethings got to be done to the tank models in this mod cause the bland!

[3rd]Sonders · Post by **[3rd]Sonders** » 2007-03-05 21:44

the tank telephone has been there ever since the abrams was invented, 90% of all modern MBT in the world have this.

JL · Post by JL » 2007-04-03 23:50

http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/200 ... /index.php

nothing in there says TUSK has been canceled? PR takes place in the future right?

Aug 10/06: General Dynamics Land Systems in Sterling Heights, MI received the full delivery order amount of $21.7 million for tank urban survivability kits for the Abrams M1A1/A2 tanks. Work will be performed in Lima, OH (61%), Tallahassee, FL (17%), Sterling Heights, MI (16%), and Westminster, MD (6%), and is expected to be complete by May 30, 2008. This was a sole source contract initiated on April 19, 2006 by the Army Tank-Automotive and Armaments Command in Warren, MI (W56HZV-06-G-0006).

something else that I would love to see integrated in driving a tank or any armor in PR.. rear view look for backing! wouldn't require the gunner to switch to tank commander or turn the turret around (in a optimal situation having a tank commander would be great) but read..

March 5/07: BAE Systems announces a $950,000 contract from General Dynamics Land Systems to integrate and test their "Driver's Rear View Camera (DRVC)" rear-view camera system as part of the TUSK upgrade. The system is a derivative of BAE's Check-6, and installs into the tail light housings with no drilling or welding, and uses thermal imaging to let vehicle operators and crews see behind them while remaining inside the tank. The testing will happen in preparation for an expected initial production contract covering 505 DRVC systems for M1 tanks, which may indicate fits into the M1A1-SA "situational awareness" variant as well.

DRVC also will fit other vehicle types within the Army's Heavy Brigade Combat Team, including the Bradley Combat Systems, the M113 family, the M88 Hercules tank recovery vehicle, and M109 self-propelled howitzers. BAE Systems release.

also info on SEP..
http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/200 ... /index.php

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oops, forgot to add..

'[3rd wrote:Sonders']the tank telephone has been there ever since the abrams was invented, 90% of all modern MBT in the world have this.

The M1A2 SEP is a formidable upgrade package, but it may be missing a small but crucial item. Troops in Iraq and elsewhere are also clamoring for a phoneset on the outside of the tank that will let them talk to the vehicle crew. This was common as far back as World War 2, and its lack is hampering coordination on the modern battlefield - especially in urban areas. A General Dynamics representative noted that future M1A2 Abrams TUSK (Tank Urban Survivability Kit) vehicles will have this feature, but the SEP tanks will not.

vassili · Post by **vassili** » 2007-04-04 05:04

El_Vikingo wrote:I was thinking about adding tusks to the tank, to stab people with.

totaly

like

and for all the fancy stuff, we dont want this to be a tank sim right?,
stuff's getting over complex if you put to mutch stuff in/on the tank.

MADTKBOY · Post by **MADTKBOY** » 2007-04-04 05:23

Well, if its realistic and it can be done, the question is, why not?

JL · Post by JL » 2007-04-04 07:11

vassili wrote:we dont want this to be a tank sim right?,
stuff's getting over complex if you put to mutch stuff in/on the tank.

no.. tank sims don't involve infantry combat..?

I agree with MADTKBOY (interesting name btw

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AnRK · Post by **AnRK** » 2007-04-04 13:18

Ditto, I've been in armour for a couple of tours on BF2C and Tank combat, although much more interesting when you have to coordinate properly, can get real boring. I don't see why they should be made more interesting and warrant their really really long respawn time a little more.