Insurgents and enemy guns.

[Desertfox]

How does a insurgent not know how to drive a humvee but he can reload a M-16 in about 5 seconds flat? Can there be like a 15 second reload time etc for insurgents with enemy guns?

[GeZe]

How does a insurgent not know how to drive a humvee but he can reload a M-16 in about 5 seconds flat? Can there be like a 15 second reload time etc for insurgents with enemy guns?

I don't think this is possible. Like 95% sure.

[Desertfox]

GeZe']I don't think this is possible. Like 95% sure.

I know it may not be possible. But I know there is something that can be done (insurgents cannot pick up US weapons etc

[mammikoura]

I believe that anyone with more than 1 brain cell can reload a m-16. I think it's fine the way it is.

Driving a humvee, well more or less the same thing. But you can't use any enemy vehicles, which I think is because it allowes you to always fire against an enemy vehicle if it's coming towards you.

[Longbow*]

I dont see anything wrong with Insurgents picking up US\UK kits( i.e. - weapons ) . It is rather common in RL , why DEV's should fix it in PR ? Though maybe they should make several kits like H-AT or AA rifleman impossible to pick up or use by insurgents . Though other kits used by insurgents are quite possible and realistic

[WNxLT7]

They should be able to pick up the basic kits but not the advanced kits such as HAT and AA. You may have seen insurgents using the grail but not a stinger.

[puglous]

This gives me an idea for another thread...

[IAJTHOMAS]

They should be able to pick up the basic kits but not the advanced kits such as HAT and AA. You may have seen insurgents using the grail but not a stinger.

CIA trained the mujahadeen in afghanistan to use them against the soviets and supplied them, so its possible some of the veterans may know how, and be able to teach the others. It more the fact i should say that they can't get their hands on stingers anymore that stops the using them. Just a suposition though.

[lunchbox311]

They should be able to pick up the basic kits but not the advanced kits such as HAT and AA. You may have seen insurgents using the grail but not a stinger.

I am sure as stated above that they would know how to use them. Also, the surefire way to avoid the insurgents from getting them is to not spawn with them. Do you really need them on devfile or hemland? NO. I tell people at the beginning of the round if I am USA on devfile not to spawn heavy AT. If the insurgents get a hold of it... game over.

Teach a little discretion to the USA morons and it will go a long ways to help.


As far as the vehicle thing, they were locked because non side specific vehicles always show up on the minimap when unoccupied so it was too easy to tell where people were. They could not work that out so they just locked all the vehicles. IRL a military hummer is no harder to drive than any other vehicle and has a push button starter (easier than issuing keys to everyone.)

My 2 cents.

[Desertfox]

I dont see anything wrong with Insurgents picking up US\UK kits( i.e. - weapons ) . It is rather common in RL , why DEV's should fix it in PR ? Though maybe they should make several kits like H-AT or AA rifleman impossible to pick up or use by insurgents . Though other kits used by insurgents are quite possible and realistic

Proof that its common?

I believe that anyone with more than 1 brain cell can reload a m-16. I think it's fine the way it is.

Driving a humvee, well more or less the same thing. But you can't use any enemy vehicles, which I think is because it allowes you to always fire against an enemy vehicle if it's coming towards you.

I highly doubt an insurgent can reload a M-16 in 5 seconds flat.

[Promagnum]

Actually the simple solution to all this is, don't drop you gun in the first place.

[Viper5]

Yeah loading a gun isnt brain surgery. According to my uncle (2 tours in Iraq) if u can load an AK u can load an M16 just fine.

[Liquid_Cow]

Proof that its common?

Here's the now dead leader of Al Queda in Iraq Al Zarqawi with an M-249 SAW

Here are a couple of Marines on patrol with AK-47s (against strict orders to stay with M-16's)

I highly doubt an insurgent can reload a M-16 in 5 seconds flat.

An AK-47 is (IMHO) harder to load than an M-16 because you have to "cam" the magazine into place (like an M-14), where the M-16 is a straight in feed. There may be a little difficulty with some more "exotic" weapons, mostly trying to figure out the fire selector, but if you can shoot one gun you can shoot any.

Keeping a weapon in service (cleaning it, actions taken to clear a jam) might take more experience, but picking one up on the battlefield would not be difficult.

Javaline and Stinger (and for that reason the SA7) on the other hand are both technically complicated to use and require a lot of practice before you can use one in the field. I doubt an insurgent could pick up these weapons and use them w/o instruction (as noted, some have recieved training in the 80's, but I don't think they are currently in the battle field).

[Desertfox]

Here's the now dead leader of Al Queda in Iraq Al Zarqawi with an M-249 SAW

Here are a couple of Marines on patrol with AK-47s (against strict orders to stay with M-16's)




An AK-47 is (IMHO) harder to load than an M-16 because you have to "cam" the magazine into place (like an M-14), where the M-16 is a straight in feed. There may be a little difficulty with some more "exotic" weapons, mostly trying to figure out the fire selector, but if you can shoot one gun you can shoot any.

Keeping a weapon in service (cleaning it, actions taken to clear a jam) might take more experience, but picking one up on the battlefield would not be difficult.

Javaline and Stinger (and for that reason the SA7) on the other hand are both technically complicated to use and require a lot of practice before you can use one in the field. I doubt an insurgent could pick up these weapons and use them w/o instruction (as noted, some have recieved training in the 80's, but I don't think they are currently in the battle field).

I never doubted that the US could use a AK-47, Al Zarqawi isnt your everyday ''insurgent'

[Bob_Marley]

I highly doubt an insurgent can reload a M-16 in 5 seconds flat.

Assault rifles, all assault rifles are desgined to be simple. They're designed in such a way that any old idiot can pick one up and very rapdily work out how to use it. And, as stated above, the M16 (and by extension all rifles with a NATO STANAG magwell, such as the L85 and later models of the FAMAS) is particularly simple to reload as you simply slide the mag in the mag well, as opposed to the "rocking" motion on rifles like the AK or M14. The trigger group is easy to use (though it may confuse someone used to an AK system at first as it is safe-semi-auto as opposed to safe-auto-semi on an AK) but other than that I cant think of anything that would be difficult to pick up about the rifle in the capacity in which they are used in PR.

[BlackwaterEddie]

Then again, hes dead, couldnt have been very good with it could he?

[GeZe]

Don't you guys remeber the story of those insurgents who got M4s, US army uniforms and a Suburban and kidnapped those soldiers and killed them?

Of course they can use US weapons.

[BlackwaterEddie]

Or the fact that M16s have been given to the afghans since Russia was over there "here, have 20,000 rifles, just dont use them on us, im sure you wont, lovely lads you lot are "

[IAJTHOMAS]

Or the fact that M16s have been given to the afghans since Russia was over there "here, have 20,000 rifles, just dont use them on us, im sure you wont, lovely lads you lot are "

You'd have thought they'd have learnt from the 'give the guys in vietnam guns to shoot the japanese' issue they'd had

[Liquid_Cow]

Then again, hes dead, couldnt have been very good with it could he?

Let's see, M-249 vs. 2 JDAM's... hmmmm.... Still good point.

Seriously, I doubt that any insurgents in Iraq would use US weapons on a regular basis, though not for lack of understanding how to use it. Rather, a lack of a readily available supply a 5.56 NATO ammo when 7.62X39 is found everywhere.

There was also the saga of the USMC M-40 which was captured by Al Queada and then used against the Marines for 2 years before being recaptured.

Scout snipers from 3rd Battalion, 5th Marine Regiment killed an enemy sniper and recovered a Marine sniper rifle lost nearly two years ago during a mission near Habbaniyah June 16.

The rifle was the one formerly used by four Marines of 2nd Battalion, 4th Marine Regiment who were killed on a rooftop in Ramadi June 21, 2004.

Sniper Section Four was in a hide when the spotter observed a military-aged male inside a nearby parked car videotaping a passing patrol of amphibious assault vehicles. The Marines saw a rifle stock by the insurgent’s side.

They first radioed the passing Marines and told them they were being watched by an enemy sniper and to stay low.

The insurgent then sealed his own fate by preparing the weapon. The 21-year-old Marine sniper, who declined to be interviewed – aimed in at the gunman’s head behind the rear-side window.

He recited a mantra in his head. Breathe, relax, aim, squeeze, surprise.

The enemy sniper died with the gun in his lap.

Full story here: http://usmc.mil/marinelink/mcn2000.nsf/ ... endocument