China's new weapons

Hauler · Post by **Hauler** » 2007-04-11 01:41

Thank you for the post. Finally lets get the devs to make some foreign vehicles cause all I see is WIP UK, WIP UK, WIP UK. Im waiting for some china machines, weapons so on so forth to start playing again to much team swapping for me to play so im waiting for .7 to come out before I come back to play. Keep this thread alive viva la foreign vehicles.

Ironcomatose · Post by **Ironcomatose** » 2007-04-11 02:01

Hauler wrote:Thank you for the post. Finally lets get the devs to make some foreign vehicles cause all I see is WIP UK, WIP UK, WIP UK. Im waiting for some china machines, weapons so on so forth to start playing again to much team swapping for me to play so im waiting for .7 to come out before I come back to play. Keep this thread alive viva la foreign vehicles.

They have already said 100 times that they are focusing on UK for now so dont get your hopes up. Tho i think this thread serves to let the DEVs know what to do after the UK forces are done.

bobfish · Post by **bobfish** » 2007-04-11 07:29

I couldn't find anything to say that the military uses that SMG... just that it's a cheap export weapon.

Jedimushroom · Post by **Jedimushroom** » 2007-04-11 08:06

Terranova wrote:The current Chinese "Light" chopper is the WZ-11

And it looks nothing like the Z-9.
(Pics for comparison)

oh, my bad.

Post by **PRC_Heavy_Z** » 2007-04-14 04:10

For all those who are curious, the JS smg is strictly for PAP/police use only, the actual armed forces use the Type 05. This SMG has actually been around for a quite a while already, it is only recently that it has been publicized.

The differences between the two weapons are:

JS:
9mm Parabelleum.
No iron sight handle
Attachment rails
30 round magazines

Type 05:
5.8mm pistol round
Handle Iron Sight
No standard attachment rails
50 round quad chamber magazine

During testings, the 5.8 pistol round proved to have more armor penetration and stopping power.

BTW, China is modernizing their army/technology very rapidly; don't be surprised to see a couple more new vehicles and small arms within 07/08, it would be quite hard to keep up with all the new toys.

Darkpowder · Post by **Darkpowder** » 2007-07-09 19:35

If any of the Devs want bullet penetration testing comparions with other calibres, re: Russian Equipment/M16 comparison..

http://taiwantp.net/cgi/roadbbs.pl?boar ... t&post=817

By the way.. someone needs to borrow this music for a PLA map in Proj. Reality.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HuqYXC9ve9w

TristanYockell · Post by **TristanYockell** » 2007-07-09 19:52

Type 62 tank would be really easy to incorperate for the PLA, already pretty much its twin for the insurgents, change a few things on the model perhaps, give it a new skin and its ready too go.

AnRK · Post by **AnRK** » 2007-07-09 20:44

That howitzers a right Paladin rip-off. Can't wait until we have arty tanks in game though, must be in the pipeline with all the 4x4km maps been made.

eddie · Post by **eddie** » 2007-07-09 20:49

Hauler wrote:Thank you for the post. Finally lets get the devs to make some foreign vehicles cause all I see is WIP UK, WIP UK, WIP UK. Im waiting for some china machines, weapons so on so forth to start playing again to much team swapping for me to play so im waiting for .7 to come out before I come back to play. Keep this thread alive viva la foreign vehicles.

What counts as foreign vehicles? The French? The Chinese? The British? The Americans perhaps?

As for 0.7, well if you don't like the Brits, you're gonna hate 0.7

robbo · Post by **robbo** » 2007-07-09 21:54

double post

robbo · Post by **robbo** » 2007-07-09 21:55

PRC_Heavy_Z wrote: BTW, China is modernizing their army/technology very rapidly; don't be surprised to see a couple more new vehicles and small arms within 07/08, it would be quite hard to keep up with all the new toys.

I don't quite think so, JSF anyone?
Your new Transport chopper is the super puma, we used that ages ago and is being phased out for the Merlin(i think)

When china starts producing its own unique vehicles not down right rip off copy's from Russia and other country's maybe ill believe you.

eddie · Post by **eddie** » 2007-07-09 22:25

Well in all fairness to them, if they're upgrading old models to newer and better models, that *IS* modernising.

I like the PLA so I'm not gonna put them down. Communist supermen are our superiors.

Post by **Bob_Marley** » 2007-07-09 22:44

robbo wrote:I don't quite think so, JSF anyone?
Your new Transport chopper is the super puma, we used that ages ago and is being phased out for the Merlin(i think)

When china starts producing its own unique vehicles not down right rip off copy's from Russia and other country's maybe ill believe you.

Not quite. "We" operated the Puma, not the Super Puma.

Considering they're making their own small arms (QBZ-95 series and QBZ-03 being the most modern, Type-81 and Type-68 before that), next generation fighters (J-10, J-XX), battle tanks (Type-99 and Type-96), IFVs/APCs, Missiles and whatnot, Chinese military industry is expanding and advancing very quickly. heck, even the planes they do copy from Russia (Su-27s) are now being modified to use the latest Chinese avionics and weapons to reduce dependency on the Russians.

robbo · Post by **robbo** » 2007-07-09 22:53

Bob_Marley wrote:Not quite. "We" operated the Puma, not the Super Puma.

Considering they're making their own small arms (QBZ-95 series and QBZ-03 being the most modern, Type-81 and Type-68 before that), next generation fighters (J-10, J-XX), battle tanks (Type-99 and Type-96), IFVs/APCs, Missiles and whatnot, Chinese military industry is expanding and advancing very quickly. heck, even the planes they do copy from Russia (Su-27s) are now being modified to use the latest Chinese avionics and weapons to reduce dependency on the Russians.

Seen as how the QBZ isnt in Full service i wouldn't take that as a reason, certain reminents of the PLA use the Type-56, Super Puma in all fairness is still not the most modern Transport Heli out their.

Id take Russia over PLA anyday

Post by **Bob_Marley** » 2007-07-09 23:03

The Type-56 is completely phased out (apart from the Type-56 Carbine SKS copy which is still used for ceremonial duties). Most Front line units are now issued either the QBZ-95 or QBZ-03 and the rest of the PLA is armed with the Type-81 rifle.

robbo · Post by **robbo** » 2007-07-09 23:55

The QBZ-03 just looks old, as does the Type-81 it lacks the modern look that the QBZ-95 has achieved.

The J-10 is miles behind the F-35 in all ways.

All these fancy T-96 and T-99 whatnots sound good on paper but lack battle testing and are not even in full production unlike the battle hardened Challenger 2 (how many of these has been lost in Iraq? thats right not even double figures) M1A2 Abrams and the Leo which have proven to be very effective.

azn_chopsticks_boi · Post by **azn_chopsticks_boi** » 2007-07-10 00:18

robbo wrote:The QBZ-03 just looks old, as does the Type-81 it lacks the modern look that the QBZ-95 has achieved.

The J-10 is miles behind the F-35 in all ways.

All these fancy T-96 and T-99 whatnots sound good on paper but lack battle testing and are not even in full production unlike the battle hardened Challenger 2 (how many of these has been lost in Iraq? thats right not even double figures) M1A2 Abrams and the Leo which have proven to be very effective.

same thing with Nazi Germany and the USSR....and look who won :/

but u cant really prove anything much....since the PLA r not in any battles or anything.....

but anyways.....end this pointless flame war

Post by **Dunehunter** » 2007-07-10 00:31

China's main advantage used to be their enormous amount of men and equipment, with their main drawback being how outdated it was. Now, if they start equipping those men with stuff that's nearly as good as what the US and other Western countries have, that's not good, right? Well, not for us atleast.

robbo · Post by **robbo** » 2007-07-10 00:33

Their are plenty of reasons why the Nazis lost to the Communists in WW2 so don't even go their.
I never knew this was a flame war?

Rhino i got a question how come you go posting pics to other community's that us the OFFICIAL PR forum members haven't seen....this makes me sad

Rhino has found a better community with less off topic goers

azn_chopsticks_boi · Post by **azn_chopsticks_boi** » 2007-07-10 00:37

seems like it cause ppl r saying china suxes and other ppl r saying it getting better