How to be successful noob tutor

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Makee
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How to be successful noob tutor

Post by Makee »

As I saw, many things was written everywhere on PR forums lately, on noobs. How to chase them off, how to teach them, how to...
I know that I've said it before, but I will say it again and again:

The best way to get rid of noobs is to teach them how not to be noobs!

Also, I saw last days, few experienced players that are trying to teach noobs by creating a squad named „beginners“, „noobs“ and so on.


I would like write down few things from my experience on that:


Creating a squad called „Firstimers“, „Noobs“, „Noob Tutor“, „Beginners“, or anything like that, will most probably get you nowhere. Trust me, I've tried it so many times, without any success. I came to conclusion that no one wants to be treated like or called noob, no matter on how good are your intentions. I've tried everything on that, to invite them in squad, writing down something like: „Beginners please enter to my squad, I want to teach you“, but without almost any success.

For now, I found one very good tactic for teaching them.

When you see a stupid squadleader on some wrong flag/place, without officer kit or RP for his squad, just enter to his squad and start talking to him, but nicely please, and let him know that he is doing pretty lousy job. Sooner or later SL will get killed and spawned in main base Spawn on him (suicide yourself if needed), and tell him that he must take officer kit to place RP because squad needs to have spawn point closer to battle. Than lead him to the place where he can pick up officer kit (I usually start to jump in front of him, with words „Yo leader, follow me please!&#8220 ;) , and let him know how to do that. After that, lead him to some safe place where he is able to put RP and, of course, tell him how to do that. Now, it would be a perfect time to commend your SL for doing wright things, believe me this is very important, don't ever forget to praise SL for every little good thing that he is doing! After all that, you just need to lead him trough battle for the rest of that round, and to be squad advisor, all the time.

You will be, in most of those cases, olny person in squad which uses VOIP, mostly because noob SL will only have non talking noobs in squad, but if you join to his squad next round you will most probably have at least one or two members which realised that VOIP use is necessary.

Few good tips more:

Patience – always be patient on noobs, they are most sensitive part of PR community
Persistence – some noob SL's (less than 5%) don't want to follow you at the beginning, but be persistent (I can remember one time when SL didn't want to hear my advice, I just told him: „SL if you won't place RP for us, I will start to sing to you, and I'm a very very bad singer“, I know that is hard to believe in that but that's actually worked – all squad started to laugh and SL started to listen to me .
Kindness – always be kind and nice, don't ever act immature or stupid, and don't ever write RTFM word to anyone, at the end of the round you can just nicely suggest reading the PR guide



Reward & Result:

After doing that easy job, you will see that you actually just created few awesome new teamplayers & teamworkers which will remember you for a long time, and anytime they saw you leading a squad they will just rush into your squad and they will blindly follow every order of yours.
PaveHawk
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Post by PaveHawk »

Good post. You are right, the only way to remedy the noob issue is through education and patience. But I'll have to try the singing thing.
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para_hjs
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Post by para_hjs »

Very good post Makee. How many players are there online prime time (18-22) these days? Any statistics?
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Makee
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Post by Makee »

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HeWhoCanNotBeNamed
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Post by HeWhoCanNotBeNamed »

This is what makes PR so magnificent; not only are there folks like Makee who THINK but also ACT.

Yours,
Noobie "Sorry I blew myself and half the squad with the tube" McNewbster
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ubiquitous
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Post by ubiquitous »

That's just like a page from "How to win friends and influence people" by Dale Carnegie.
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Post by Mongolian_dude »

*phew* i was considering locking this thread because i thought it was encouraging N00B t00bing.
Thank God

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Rusty_FunP
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Post by Rusty_FunP »

Makee: you are welcome to join my squad anytime, provided you teach me those places for rally points, and praise my insane skillz :P
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Rick_the_new_guy
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Post by Rick_the_new_guy »

Well written. Good to know more and more great leaders are appreant in PR.
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DirtyRat
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Post by DirtyRat »

I posted an idea I have to solve the noob issue HERE
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Post by El_Vikingo »

PR Virgins?
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Makee
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Post by Makee »

El_Vikingo wrote:PR Virgins?
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Jeeves
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Post by Jeeves »

With all the talk about noobs this and noobs that it got me thinking of my begining days (look at my join date to give you an idea of when that was).

I rember when nobody was in squads and everyone was using nothing but sniper rifles and m249s. Slowly people started to realize how to play as a team and work together.

Now these same people are on the forums complaining about the "noobs" and their lone wolfing or noob tubing. People talking about trying to scare off "noobs" or changing the mod to keep new people out. I just find it ironic at best.

The point of my little story is that you need to just give people time to adjust to the style of the game. Alot of new players are joining servers to just get a feel for the game, they might not want to join a squad or have someone telling them what to do on their first visit.

Personaly I believe that when someone has a question they will ask it. This whole trying to tell people to join your squad so you can teach them or joining someone elses squad and telling them what to do is very condescending. There is no need to treat every new player like they are in grade school.

Keep your scheduled training "classes" and if someone ask for help then by all means help them but dont think that your job is to find every new person and tell them how to play, this is a game stop taking it so seriously. Just my two cents, take it how you will.
him_j
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Post by him_j »

para_hjs wrote:Very good post Makee. How many players are there online prime time (18-22) these days? Any statistics?
18-20 what seriously prime time!

have you played this mod lol. Prime time i get ab 2 servers filled -64 players and about 3 others filled with 50-59!!!!!

more like 200-300

probably more
Wasteland
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Post by Wasteland »

Jesus Christ. Please stop spamming threads with those same two links. Please. Please. Please. And you don't have to keep double/quintiple posting. You can hit the "edit" button.

It's great that you want to help the noobs. But your exuberance is getting on the frustrating side.
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ub3rxn00b
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Post by ub3rxn00b »

No thanks, I don't play this game to babysit. It took me one day to figure this game out, and I didn't have anyone guiding me.
ub3rxn00b
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Post by ub3rxn00b »

him_j wrote:18-20 what seriously prime time!

have you played this mod lol. Prime time i get ab 2 servers filled -64 players and about 3 others filled with 50-59!!!!!

more like 200-300

probably more
I think he means 6 o'clock to 8.
him_j
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Post by him_j »

yh uber is right i played for about 30 mins and i got the hango of it prety quickly. But the thing is that some new players dont have such a high learning curve and takes longer to understand the basi of PR.
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Post by Outlawz7 »

Hmm, Ive started a squad called Teamwork a few times, and it usually works great..maybe cos the guys feel special "we da teamwork pwners :P "...
Not really sure, if they learned anything, but some people DO know something. I got quickly reminded "SL, you need to place a RP, we need kits and safe spawns" and I replied "thanks, I know"...so not everyone is a newbie... ;)
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