Whats happening with prmm?

{GD}Snake13 · Post by **{GD}Snake13** » 2005-10-06 03:05

well prob not PRMM, though I'd love to see a Red Dawn inspired game (no, not Freedom Fighters).

I think my biggest wish would be some sort of mad-max/fallout style game that has realistic infantry combat, its time to bring realism to some other genres of shooters

Post by **BrokenArrow** » 2005-10-06 20:26

do you mean a sort of BF apocolypse deal? a sort of civilization is shattered so now lets kill things sort of thing?

happydan · Post by **happydan** » 2005-10-06 22:11

hows about an OFP type game set in the AvP universe?

{GD}Snake13 · Post by **{GD}Snake13** » 2005-10-07 00:42

I think the next big thing in First Person shooters is going to be a MMO game ala Planetside.

My latest Daydream is a truly massive multiplayer game, set in a sci-fi universe with an intergalactic war. It would encompass all elements, factions would have control on the scale of MOO types of games, colonizing planets and fortifying them. Players would be able to participate in full fledged space battles ala Alliegence, and also full fledged Ground battles on the scale of Planetside. Seemlessly flying from the surface into space and back. Every large ship would have a fully modeled interior subject to boarding, every structure built by players. Basicly give the players a universe and let them do whatever they want. The Beauty of it is that you can make a massive universe, and the playerbase will expand to fill it as neccesary.

Post by **BrokenArrow** » 2005-10-07 01:19

sounds like a good idea, id play it. the problem is that would be a monster game, and i dont think its possible right now to do something like that and make it very good.

{GD}Snake13 · Post by **{GD}Snake13** » 2005-10-07 02:18

I don't think its possible either, but I think it will be very soon

Figisaacnewton · Post by **Figisaacnewton** » 2005-10-07 04:15

Think World War 2 online with much better graphics, and a gameplay mode maybe where you arn't always in battle, half mmo, half fps.

you could deal with orders, build, fix, set stuff up, etc.

i dunno, just ideas of a tired me.

Corey Darling · Post by **Corey Darling** » 2005-10-07 04:33

Earth and Beyond from EA was like that alot, FPS (walking) and space ship control while flying around 10 or 12 systems in a persistant universe with hunders of other players. But they shut down the servers a few months back

You could also check out http://www.mankind.net it's all that you said except not first person, more like starcraft.

Mankind has over 1 million systems easy, massive galaxy and each system has about 8-9 planets in it which you can colonize and build bases/cities on, same in orbit. and your forces continue to gather minerals, fight for or gaurd your systems even while your logged off, thats because it takes about 1 month real time to make the largest cruiser in game. You can even tell the server to call your cell phone if your units are getting attacked lol

Galaxy map:
http://www.mankind.net/gameinfo/map/

I never even got around to trying to cross the galaxy, would have take about 3 hours with my longest hyperjumping ship, (about 1000 parsecs per jump), even longer with the ships needed to consruct a colony

The players are COMPLETELY in control of the galaxy, if you wanted you could form a faction (with or without other players), build as many ships/tanks/fighters as possible and wipe out every player's system and start from scratch with your own empire. A couple players started up a System Security Faction called "G-police" to patrol the main trade systems (about 40) for new-player-killers because one group started to take out any ship that came into that sector, military or transport.

http://www.mankind.net/screens_n_art/wa ... s/wp03.jpg

Man i miss playing that game

{GD}Snake13 · Post by **{GD}Snake13** » 2005-10-07 12:30

I'm aware that there are several games where players have complete control, such as E&B, and EVE. But these games usualy don't extend much beyond an RPG with a ship as a character, I want everything fleshed out, physics, combat, you name it. I want to be able to be a space marine if I want to, and in the same game be the captain of a massive battleship, or drive a tank accross an alien planet, or construct a new settlement on a frontier world which I can actually walk around and buy a drink in a dusty frontier bar.

Post by **BrokenArrow** » 2005-10-07 18:48

that would all be pretty crazy.

Artnez · Post by **Artnez** » 2005-10-07 19:39

{GD}Snake13 wrote:I'm aware that there are several games where players have complete control, such as E&B, and EVE. But these games usualy don't extend much beyond an RPG with a ship as a character, I want everything fleshed out, physics, combat, you name it. I want to be able to be a space marine if I want to, and in the same game be the captain of a massive battleship, or drive a tank accross an alien planet, or construct a new settlement on a frontier world which I can actually walk around and buy a drink in a dusty frontier bar.

The only way to accomplish something like this is consistent development. It would be impossible to create something like this in a normal period. By the time a dev studio would get this done, everything would be outdated.

What I think should be done is a development studio releasing an actual engine for a descent price. A group of gamers or teams (like PR for example) could all chip in and buy the engine.

Regarding the pricetag, I'm sure a good finance dept. could come up with a way for them to make some money with advertising and such without getting in the way of the game (for example, when you load the game, an advertisement in the top right corner, who would care about that?).

So once the engine is purchased, all you need are knowledgable and dedicated people to consistently develop the game.

The only thing would be to pick a descent timeframe. Then, numerous development teams could work on different areas... one team works on space combat, another works on infantry/ground combat, etc....

But I guess I'm only dreaming :]

Post by **BrokenArrow** » 2005-10-07 21:39

thats it, we all have to learn how to do this stuff, we'll make it happen

theres also a different advertising idea, when youre on planets with cities there can be billboards and stuff too. i can see how that might be difficult when youre in space but maybe there'll be a few intergalactic radio stations with a couple ads on them.

anyway, this is a thread about PRMM, i suggest if this goes on someone puts up a thread about this in off topic.

{GD}Snake13 · Post by **{GD}Snake13** » 2005-10-08 19:41

I think the key is getting the tech to the point where you don't have to "cheat" features as much. (for an example of what I mean, currently if you want to make an enviroment fully destructable its nearly impossible, but if we got to the point of a true physics engine then you wouldn't have to go out of your way to try to make a building collapse, becuase it would do it naturally as a result of the physics engine. other examples include the commander mode in an FPS, prior to BF2, most of this time this would be its own rendering mode, but with the engine tech out there today all you have to do is make it a camera high in the sky pointing down.)

It would have to be a MMO, due both to the genre needing massive amounts of people to work, and due to the massive devolpment needed. I really think the next great thing is going to be someone who takes the MMO concept and does something unique with it. For as big as a step of refinement that World of Warcraft was over earlier MMORPGs, if somene made an improvement like that over planetside you could have a real winner, or even something in the vein of WWIIOL.

The development concept of having massive amounts of people involved is something that hasn't been fully exploited IMHO. Most of the MMOs out there seem to have taken the approach "Lets take a normal type of game, then design to involves a huge amount of people", I'm waiting for someone to say "Now that we can have a game with hundreds or even thousands involved, whats possible that has never been before?"