Limit the RPGS for Insurgents.

SethLive! · Post by **SethLive!** » 2007-04-25 19:48

cant wait either

RPG gunner AND insurgent spec ops are being limited.
no more n00b t00bers!

Armand61685 · Post by **Armand61685** » 2007-04-25 20:00

Dyer |3-5| wrote:Will they be made more accurate?? IMHO, If you could actually hit anything with them, there wouldnt be so many because not everyone would be trying to take out the same APC or chopper over and over. The U.S. would either have to use better tactics, or they would already be dead. Problem solved.

I agree. Also, what should be done is whatever is realistic.

Stop crying about getting beat and use better tactics. Who told you dumbasses to hover your cobra through the city or even fly by it? THe cobra is supposed to engage targets as far as possible. Why are you USMC idiots rushing ur apcs and tanks through the city? If you do that you deserve to get RPG swarmed. People's tactics are messed up, not the balancing. We want asymmetrical warfare, and here we have it. Effin crybabies man.

Armand61685 · Post by **Armand61685** » 2007-04-25 20:02

Bobert08 wrote:If you limit the RPGs, you need to make them moderately plentiful still. Or come up with some system where insurgents can request RPGs from spawn cars or something.

What I'm trying to say is, we need RPGs to take out armor, and I cannot trust 2 or 3 people to cover the armor advances with the only RPG kits on the map until they die and it spawns again.

Not to mention, I see waaay more people complain about the A10 on Basrah then the RPG kit. If anything needs to be taken out, I suggest you look a bit further into the overkill that is the A10.

+1

Bobert08 · Post by **Bobert08** » 2007-04-25 21:24

JP*wasteland.soldier wrote:Except they aren't equally used as anti-infantry. I hardly ever get ATed, except by insurgents on Al Basrah.

Besides, they aren't talking about "taking out" the RPG-guy. Just limiting him.

I can't wait.

And I get killed by AT way more on other maps than Al Basrah, everybody's experience is different, this doesn't mean you can rip the RPG class out.

RPGs are currently the best way to stop Insurgents getting their *** kicked by US armor power. The developers have done things before in the name of balance, there's no reason then to purposely unbalance this.

BetterDeadThanRed · Post by **BetterDeadThanRed** » 2007-04-25 21:36

Will there ever be a bolt action rifle w/ iron sights for ins?

[uBp]Irish · Post by **[uBp]Irish** » 2007-04-25 21:45

last time i checked, people killing other people with RPG's happens... so... get used to it?

besides, you can pretty much only take out an APC with an RPG. Even then, it may require all your ammo. Shoot a couple at a tank ( that's after reloding ) and you'll be lucky if you detract it. Call up ahkmed's suicide bombers to finish the job, because you're pretty much useless.

That's why you see everyone useing them against infantry, since they require about 4+ guys to get a tank smoking.

Bobert08 · Post by **Bobert08** » 2007-04-26 02:03

'[uBp wrote:Irish']last time i checked, people killing other people with RPG's happens... so... get used to it?

besides, you can pretty much only take out an APC with an RPG. Even then, it may require all your ammo. Shoot a couple at a tank ( that's after reloding ) and you'll be lucky if you detract it. Call up ahkmed's suicide bombers to finish the job, because you're pretty much useless.

That's why you see everyone useing them against infantry, since they require about 4+ guys to get a tank smoking.

Exactly, in fact, it's called a "Rocket Propelled Grenade".

The point is to add rocket power to a fragmentation weapon. RPGs have a bit of piercing power, but they also fragment, making them a good anti infantry weapon.

[TT]engineer · Post by **[TT]engineer** » 2007-04-26 02:35

These are HEAT grenades. They should not have godly amounts of fragmentation.

Perhaps PR could research alternate ammo, like the OG-7V. It is the standard Frag RPG for the RPG-7:

http://www.arsenal-bg.com/defense_police/OG-7V.htm

Arsenal of Bulgaria has an OK picture of it and actively manufactures it for the Bulgarian Army as well as for export.

Wasteland · Post by **Wasteland** » 2007-04-26 02:48

Bobert08 wrote:Exactly, in fact, it's called a "Rocket Propelled Grenade".

Actually, it's not. And shame on you for perpetuating this myth. Shame, I say, shame!

Nobody's suggesting "ripping the AT class" out of the game. It's just getting limited so it isn't the n00b t00b of choise for so many of our newer members.

And re: "that doesn't mean you can...", the devs can do anything they want. That's why they're devs.

workingrobbie · Post by **workingrobbie** » 2007-04-26 03:24

Armand61685 wrote:I agree. Also, what should be done is whatever is realistic.

Stop crying about getting beat and use better tactics. Who told you dumbasses to hover your cobra through the city or even fly by it? THe cobra is supposed to engage targets as far as possible. Why are you USMC idiots rushing ur apcs and tanks through the city? If you do that you deserve to get RPG swarmed. People's tactics are messed up, not the balancing. We want asymmetrical warfare, and here we have it. Effin crybabies man.

Good call Armand - and fully agreed. Esp the APC rush. That annoys the heck out of me when they drive the APCs to the front and get my spawn point blown up.

Expendable Grunt · Post by **Expendable Grunt** » 2007-04-26 04:06

Bobert08 wrote:Exactly, in fact, it's called a "Rocket Propelled Grenade".

RPG.

In Russian, it means: Ruchnoy Protivotankoviy Granatomet

In English, it means: Hand-held Anti-Tank Grenade Launcher

ON the battlefield, it means: Business.

Long Bow · Post by **Long Bow** » 2007-04-26 14:09

BetterDeadThanRed wrote:Will there ever be a bolt action rifle w/ iron sights for ins?

I just want to warn you that making this statement will envoke the wrath of Top_Cat_the great

He will jump up and down and post like mad about this now

I think making the RPG's limited is good as long as there are enough available to get the job done. And the job is anti armour and anti-air, for the most part.

Cheers,

Wasteland · Post by **Wasteland** » 2007-04-26 16:15

RPGs should mostly be used against APCs, stupid helo pilots, hummers, and bunched up infantry (sparingly). If you're using them for anti-armor, you're wasting them. Not now, but when they're limited. Reason is you're very likely to die, and quite unlikely to hurt them much.

I use IEDs for all my anti-armor needs.

Long Bow · Post by **Long Bow** » 2007-04-27 14:32

True wasteland, I meant anti APC not tank. The only reason they are anti tank right now is due to the sheer number of RPG's available

Cheers,

Dyer |3-5| · Post by **Dyer |3-5|** » 2007-04-27 15:20

JP*wasteland.soldier wrote:RPGs should mostly be used against APCs, stupid helo pilots, hummers, and bunched up infantry (sparingly).

Why, because the ins. CinC said so? They should be used on anything that moves, and if you run out of ammo, thats your fault.

Expendable Grunt · Post by **Expendable Grunt** » 2007-04-27 16:44

Real RPG-7's arn't too effective against heavy armour.

MrD · Post by **MrD** » 2007-04-27 17:36

actually, someone brought a shaped round into the Iraq arena that managed to blow through the front of a Warrior!

Judging by the numbers of people upon the start of a round that teamswap to USMC on AlBasrah, it's no wonder so many people don't like the fact they get killed by rpg's

Bobert08 · Post by **Bobert08** » 2007-04-27 19:22

JP*wasteland.soldier wrote:Actually, it's not. And shame on you for perpetuating this myth. Shame, I say, shame!

Nobody's suggesting "ripping the AT class" out of the game. It's just getting limited so it isn't the n00b t00b of choise for so many of our newer members.

And re: "that doesn't mean you can...", the devs can do anything they want. That's why they're devs.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rocket_propelled_grenade

You don't know everything.

It is referred to as a Rocket Propelled Grenade Launcher whether you like it or not.

Oh, and they do fragment, that's the HEAT part of HEAT rounds.

DirtyHarry88 · Post by **DirtyHarry88** » 2007-04-27 19:29

'[R-PUB wrote:MrD']actually, someone brought a shaped round into the Iraq arena that managed to blow through the front of a Warrior!

Judging by the numbers of people upon the start of a round that teamswap to USMC on AlBasrah, it's no wonder so many people don't like the fact they get killed by rpg's

Am I the only one who likes to switch back to Insurgents?

eddie · Post by **eddie** » 2007-04-27 19:31