Have a few suggestions.

Post by **BrokenArrow** » 2005-10-06 01:30

regardless of what you can and cannot do as far as parachuting out of choppers im sure it isnt exactly standard practice to see guys diving out of choppers and releasing their chutes.

Varangian · Post by **Varangian** » 2005-10-07 19:05

MH-60FLT-LD wrote:There are no aviation units that drop soldiers out of a BH or little bird by parachute. the only jumpable helo is the mh/uh 47 chinook

Oh, wow, I guess I'd better stop kicking paratroops out of the UH-60...and send in a correction to the ATM to eliminate that task...

Uh-60s do not have General Electric mini guns. Only MH's.

Uhhh...see attached pic. Tell me if that looks like a MH-60 cockpit. Provided you know what a MH-60 cockpit looks like.

Wires kill. Wires are the biggest cause of helo crashes period. You cant just fly through them. You hit a wire in real life you will crash. also those hard landings you can get away with are not possible. you would royaly mess up your bird.

Wires do kill. But careless pilots are the biggest cause of helo crashes period. And all US helicopters are outfitted with wire strike protection systems, meaning that if you hit them dead-on they will cut the wire. And they work. There are many wire strike incidents that resulted in minimal damage to the bird due to these systems. Of course, if you hit really big ones, or don't hit them straight-on, then you will likely damage the aircraft beyond recoverability.

And I don't know exactly how hard a landing you're talking about, but the UH-60 will absorb a hell of a hard landing and keep going, provided you didn't flex the rotor due to low RPMs or bad collective management and hit the helicopter.

Varangian · Post by **Varangian** » 2005-10-07 19:07

BrokenArrow wrote:regardless of what you can and cannot do as far as parachuting out of choppers im sure it isnt exactly standard practice to see guys diving out of choppers and releasing their chutes.

In some units it happens every week.

Just depends on the unit mission.

Post by **BrokenArrow** » 2005-10-07 19:10

what missions would those be and what units use them.

Varangian · Post by **Varangian** » 2005-10-07 19:15

BrokenArrow wrote:what missions would those be and what units use them.

The mission would be aviation units organic to or tasked to support airborne units. You will find a large concentration of them in North Carolina.

There is also at least one assault brigade in Kentucky that carries paradrops on its MTL.

Post by **BrokenArrow** » 2005-10-07 21:41

well unless we see these few units in PR then im sure you wont see many troops parachuting from choppers.

Varangian · Post by **Varangian** » 2005-10-07 21:51

BrokenArrow wrote:well unless we see these few units in PR then im sure you wont see many troops parachuting from choppers.

I don't know whether you will or not. The point being, it's a capability that's trained and maintained in the real world.

Whether that capability is utilized depends completely on the ground commander.

Post by **BrokenArrow** » 2005-10-07 21:51

i had no doubt at all in the fact it was used, i simply said it was not standard practice.

Beckwith · Post by **Beckwith** » 2005-10-09 06:47

i duno if hes paying attention but the guy who started this thread was incorrect in his statement that the only jumpable helos were mh-47's
[html][HTML]http://www.soc.mil/News/imagery/USASFC/040612F34_0LI34.jpg[/html][/HTML]

Master Sgt. Daniel Olivas, an operations sergeant with Special Forces Operations Detachment 144, Company A, 2nd Battalion, 1st Special Forces Group, Fort Lewis, Wash., departs an UH-60 Blackhawk during High Altitude Low Opening training June 12, during exercise Northern Edge 2004 at Eielson Air Force Base, Alaska. Northern Edge is Alaska's annual joint training exercise designed to enhance interoperability among the services by and honing joint service techniques and procedures. (Photo by Senior Airman Joshua Strang, 354th Communications Squadron)

Post by **BlakeJr** » 2005-10-09 07:10

Beckwith wrote:i duno if hes paying attention but the guy who started this thread was incorrect in his statement that the only jumpable helos were mh-47's
[html][HTML]http://www.soc.mil/News/imagery/USASFC/040612F34_0LI34.jpg[/html][/HTML]

Link doesn't work.

Beckwith · Post by **Beckwith** » 2005-10-09 08:26

dont click the link try clicking the html code box for me thats a links to the image itself

Post by **BlakeJr** » 2005-10-09 08:32

Sorry Beckwith, no joy... I get "Connection refused" when I try.

Olive Drab · Post by **Olive Drab** » 2005-10-09 08:33

works for me fine. Its a soldier doing a free fall from a blackhawk. I am sure Broken Arrow will be along shortly to tell us this isnt the norm

Post by **BlakeJr** » 2005-10-09 08:48

Olive Drab wrote:works for me fine. Its a soldier doing a free fall from a blackhawk. I am sure Broken Arrow will be along shortly to tell us this isnt the norm

I can tell you that right now!

The picture is probably fake anyway, since I can't get to it.

(just kidding you know

)
I even tried, brrrr, IE and it went "Unable to display page" on me...

My trusty FireFox also fails to show the page for me...

Olive Drab · Post by **Olive Drab** » 2005-10-09 09:07

I am using mozilla firefox. try entering the link in your browser
http://news.soc.mil/imagery/USASFC/040612F34_0LI34.jpg
I dont know what else to say. Is there a way to upload pics here?

Olive Drab · Post by **Olive Drab** » 2005-10-09 09:11

i tried shrinking it down with photoshop and reducing the quality to a 1 on a 1-12 scale and it still wasnt small enough to upload here

Post by **BlakeJr** » 2005-10-09 09:15

Yes, if you click on the REPLY button (or the Go Advanced button under the Quick Reply text box) you can then scroll down to a section called Additional Options.
There is a button called Manage Attachments.

You already figured that out by the time I post this though

Mail it to me and I'll post it from my photobucket account.
[email protected]

Olive Drab · Post by **Olive Drab** » 2005-10-09 09:27

email out

Post by **BlakeJr** » 2005-10-09 09:32

email in.... Edit: Damn, almost forgot... Thanks for the help!

Hmmm, look ma! No hands...Aaaaaaawwwww

Beckwith · Post by **Beckwith** » 2005-10-09 09:37

judging from the shadow of the boot and the fact it came from the US Army Special Operations Command news site i dont think its a fake, as the quote says its an SF soldier practicing a halo jump