Minor changes to the crewman kit from a US army tanker

daranz · Post by **daranz** » 2007-05-01 19:28

I doubt tank crewmen carry a lot of ammo on them. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if they ended up with nothing but what was already attached to their rifle during emergency egress out of a piece of armor. In fact, why not give them a rifle with one mag and a pistol with 2 or 3. That way, they'd have something to defend themselves with immediately after exiting the tank (since that usually means being very exposed and needing long range firepower), but wouldn't have anything that would let them stay in the fight.

Also, maybe give them 2 field dressings. Surely, APCs must have some first aid supplies onboard. Escaping out of a burning tank can get people hurt, ya know

DirtyHarry88 · Post by **DirtyHarry88** » 2007-05-01 19:49

'[R-MOD wrote:Mongolian_dude']If you mean it has the power to kill someone, then yes.
But compaired to the other main assault rifles, it is probly the worst.
It doesnt beat any other assault rifles in the game at anything in particular.
It fails the 7.62 G3/101/47 on stopping power; it fails against the G3(supposedly)/QBZ(scopped) at accuracy and it fails against the 47/101/G3/GBZ(all of them) in RoF. However, it is the second most balanced weapon to the QZB but doesnt accell at anything.

...mongol...

I meant that it's better than the M4 at anything other than CQB, nothing to do with the other rifles.

What I'm saying is that giving crewman an M4 isn't overpowering.

DarkTalon · Post by **DarkTalon** » 2007-05-01 21:40

the p90 is for tankers, right?

Post by **Bob_Marley** » 2007-05-01 21:44

DirtyHarry88 wrote:I meant that it's better than the M4 at anything other than CQB, nothing to do with the other rifles.

What I'm saying is that giving crewman an M4 isn't overpowering.

No, it isnt. Because they'll be getting an M4 (3 round burst, fixed carry handle [M16A2 style]), not an M4A1 (full auto, "flat top" reciver [M1913 rail]) with Aim Point sight.

[uBp]Irish · Post by **[uBp]Irish** » 2007-05-01 21:49

wtb Binocs on crewman too.

DirtyHarry88 · Post by **DirtyHarry88** » 2007-05-01 21:51

Bob_Marley wrote:No, it isnt. Because they'll be getting an M4 (3 round burst, fixed carry handle [M16A2 style]), not an M4A1 (full auto, "flat top" reciver [M1913 rail]) with Aim Point sight.

I meant even if it was the A1 it still wouldn't be overpowering.

Clypp · Post by **Clypp** » 2007-05-01 21:54

Is it overpowering in real life? Exactly. n00bs will just take the spec ops kit, not the crappier crewman kit.

youm0nt · Post by **youm0nt** » 2007-05-01 21:55

DarkTalon wrote:the p90 is for tankers, right?

I don't think US tank crewmen or British tank crewmen use that weapon... I wouldn't mind seeing it in PR though...

Desertfox · Post by **Desertfox** » 2007-05-01 21:56

Who did you talk to just out of curiosity.

[uBp]Irish · Post by **[uBp]Irish** » 2007-05-01 22:04

i'm sure with the new U.S. Army coming, that a change will be made to the crewman kit to reflect the true game. be it the M4 or M4A1, i doubt we'll have to worry about people wanting the l33t crewmanz kit over the spec opzor

Dyer |3-5| · Post by **Dyer |3-5|** » 2007-05-01 22:08

Clypp wrote:They don't use the MP5, that's a good reason not to give it to them.

Dropping the ammo to 2 mags would discourage use of the crewman kit as an infantry kit.

My bad. And agreed on the 2 mag suggestion.

Post by **Bob_Marley** » 2007-05-01 22:15

youm0nt wrote:I don't think US tank crewmen or British tank crewmen use that weapon... I wouldn't mind seeing it in PR though...

*cough* MEC *cough* (The Saudis use them, you know.)

robbo · Post by **robbo** » 2007-05-01 22:23

For the British crewman we should use the SA80 AFV

Quote "L22A2 carbine, as issued to Royal Armoured Corps tank crews in Iraq; note that it has a Picatinny rail above the front grip"

Also Royal marine Aircrewmen use the L22A2 sorry cant find the picture.

Post by **Bob_Marley** » 2007-05-01 22:44

That being one of these jobbies:

Shining Arcanine · Post by **Shining Arcanine** » 2007-05-02 01:27

Clypp wrote:Currently the kit for 0.6 is:
Knife
Assault rifle X5
Smoke grenade X1
Wrench
Field Dressing
Armor?

So ideally the crewmen should get:
Knife
Carbine
Wrench
Field Dressing
No Armor

The only thing is that the USMC is in PR and the the US Army. The USMC has its own tanks and its own protocols for what goes in them.

Clypp · Post by **Clypp** » 2007-05-02 03:32

Shining Arcanine wrote:The only thing is that the USMC is in PR and the the US Army. The USMC has its own tanks and its own protocols for what goes in them.

I doubt it would vary much.

Bobert08 · Post by **Bobert08** » 2007-05-02 05:09

If the crewman kit gets a regular M4 with no optics or fully automatic mode, then I see no reason to be concerned about people choosing the kit just for the gun. It would be a slightly less accurate version of the M16, and no body armor.

Why would anyone pick that for a gun that isn't the M4A1?

wasserfaller · Post by **wasserfaller** » 2007-05-02 05:12

Anyone think a Skorpion would be a good sidearm for the MEC for tankers? I recommended it a while ago for AT MEC guys and got my *** flamed off, but i think it's got a good balance?

I mean it's got bad accuracy, some come in a 7.65mm if i remember correctly (which i probably don't, correct me if you know it), and it's small and compact with a really fast ROF.

Skorpion: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vz_61

Expendable Grunt · Post by **Expendable Grunt** » 2007-05-02 05:28

<3 P90...

Someone in the US military uses it -- out of curriosity, who?

Post by **Bob_Marley** » 2007-05-02 11:30

Expendable Grunt wrote:<3 P90...

Someone in the US military uses it -- out of curriosity, who?

The US Secret Service and some police units use the P90, none of the armed forces (Army, Navy, USAF or Coast Guard) use the P90.

The only faction where it fits is the MEC.

@wasserfaller I think the Skorpion would make a good addition for the MEC H-AT or Pilot class, or possibly as a side arm for the Malitia faction when they come in.