Should the knife be an instant kill?

MadTommy · Post by **MadTommy** » 2007-05-07 09:19

Should the knife be an instant kill?

Ok this discussion comes from a persistent ‘knifer’!... I knife quite a lot; if i'm alone, you have your back to me and I’m in enemy territory, preferably, I’ll knife you. It’s quite and there’s is no revive for you.

How about raising the stakes, and making it more realistic:

2 hits to the body and 1 to the head.

Can the upperbody be separated from the lower? So a hit to the upper chest is also a one hit kill.

What do you think?

Post by **Mongolian_dude** » 2007-05-07 10:53

MadTommy wrote:Should the knife be an instant kill?

Yes

...mongol...

S.A.S jackwebsterdunstan · Post by **S.A.S jackwebsterdunstan** » 2007-05-07 10:59

yes i think its fine how it is, i knife in the head when i do it anyway, dont wan to make everything in this game too realsitic considering it takes on average 7 hours to die from a knife in the chest.
i think you should die quicker from bullets, youre not going to get up again after 3 shots of a 30mm in the chest yet it takes like 11.

Expendable Grunt · Post by **Expendable Grunt** » 2007-05-07 11:04

You'll want to keep it insta kill when you've whiped out an entire squad with them, like I have.

MadTommy · Post by **MadTommy** » 2007-05-07 11:19

I'll clarify my thinking a little. (hehe see if i can rally some support)

If you get behind someone and you intend to knife them, it is easy to knife them to the head/face.. esp. if they are prone or crouched. So a 'good' knife would work the same as it does now. Instant kill.

However, if you screw up your approach or just go Rambo with the knife, swiping at someone’s leg wont kill them... just put them is a bleed state. Make it a bit harder and more fun IMO

gazzthompson · Post by **gazzthompson** » 2007-05-07 13:00

i like this idea , i think if ur both run out of ammo u have to stab each other loads , real violent like , with blood every were would be well good , and have it so u can stab ALOT quicker so ur both just ripping into each other.

daranz · Post by **daranz** » 2007-05-07 13:46

Perhaps the knife should have an altfire, slower attack that does more damage. I mean, special forces that are trained with knives probably wouldn't sneak up on someone and then go stabbity stab on their backs. Instead, they'd probably apply some sort of a hold to the person, and then use the knife to quickly kill them, while they're immobile (for example, by stabbing them in the back of the head). However, if someone found themselves wielding a knife in a frontal attack, they'd probably try to do some fast swipes and stabs (assuming they weren't trained in more advanced martial arts techniques).

But then, in reality, knives probably aren't used that much. They're extremely risky, and shooting someone is usually safer and more effective.

Jay · Post by **Jay** » 2007-05-07 14:46

MadTommy wrote:Should the knife be an instant kill?

2 hits to the body and 1 to the head.

Can the upperbody be separated from the lower? So a hit to the upper chest is also a one hit kill.

What do you think?

I could see this being really buggy (thanks again terrible BF2 Hit registration!).

And also, I think that if you can get right up to someone without them hearing you, you deserve the kill in 1 hit (instead of accidentally swiping their arm instead of their head, at which point the turn full circle and place 10 G3 rounds into your face!)

Also, I'd think that it should be 1 hit kill because IRL, you'd be trained to knife fight better than _SLASH IN FRONT OF CHEST_ Oops! the enemy was sliiightly to the left! No kill for you!

.:iGi:. Eggenberg4Ever · Post by **.:iGi:. Eggenberg4Ever** » 2007-05-07 14:49

Yes. I love stabbing people in the ankle & watching them fall.

Hardtman · Post by **Hardtman** » 2007-05-07 14:49

Sounds nice,but I'd try to combine it with the kevlar vest.
As far as i'm aware most kevlar vests have some steel wires in them to stop Blades which for some reason do easily go through kevlar.
While a hard stab to the unprotected chest can easily incapitate and lethally wound you(if not seen to by a medic)hich means a kill in this game,this would be harder if most of the Blow would be stopped by the armor.

So my suggestion is:
Instant Kill if you hit the head
Instant Kill if you hit the unprotected chest
2 Hits required on chest if the target has armor
Hits to the legs would do low damage but put you in the bleeding state immediatly.

First Post here btw; Yay^^

MadTommy · Post by **MadTommy** » 2007-05-07 15:09

Hardtman wrote:Sounds nice,but I'd try to combine it with the kevlar vest.
As far as i'm aware most kevlar vests have some steel wires in them to stop Blades which for some reason do easily go through kevlar.
While a hard stab to the unprotected chest can easily incapitate and lethally wound you(if not seen to by a medic)hich means a kill in this game,this would be harder if most of the Blow would be stopped by the armor.

So my suggestion is:
Instant Kill if you hit the head
Instant Kill if you hit the unprotected chest
2 Hits required on chest if the target has armor
Hits to the legs would do low damage but put you in the bleeding state immediatly.

First Post here btw; Yay^^

a very nice 1st post.. if i dont say so myself.. spot on my thinking

Welcome

BlackwaterEddie · Post by **BlackwaterEddie** » 2007-05-07 15:20

But the real question is, is the hit detection system able to tell the difference?

S.A.S jackwebsterdunstan · Post by **S.A.S jackwebsterdunstan** » 2007-05-07 16:38

i didnt think the bf2 engine is that advanced with hit detection, i thought it only could tell head and anything else

Viper5 · Post by **Viper5** » 2007-05-07 16:58

Yes it should. Hell, even Petty Officer Rooney figured out to nail the guy with the MP5 with 1 hit. Anyone can.

A-10Warthog · Post by **A-10Warthog** » 2007-05-07 22:39

i dont want it a 1 hit kill but i it wasnt no one would use it...

PF-Greasy Monkey · Post by **PF-Greasy Monkey** » 2007-05-07 22:48

I say we don't make it 1 hit/kill
body armor are there to prevent such a thing...

maybe put the guy in a close to death/need a medic quick state instead
of course if its to the head I guess the guy should be dead

MadTommy · Post by **MadTommy** » 2007-05-07 22:50

'[R-PUB wrote:A-10WarthogPilot']i dont want it a 1 hit kill but if it wasnt no one would use it...

really?...granted less people would use it.. but thats part of my point. Reduce the rambo knifers (err like me at times). But it should leave the knife just as effective if you sneak up behind someone, snipers and the like will still be easy pickings with the knife.

Post by **Mongolian_dude** » 2007-05-07 22:58

MadTommy wrote:really?...granted less people would use it.. but thats part of my point. Reduce the rambo knifers (err like me at times). But it should leave the knife just as effective if you sneak up behind someone, snipers and the like will still be easy pickings with the knife.

Alright, if you were to decrease the DMG, then you would have to realisticly increase the RoF(rate of stab) of it. That would make it easyer to use in turn.
Besides, with hit location, you sometimes find yourself stabbing someone up to 3 times before they die.

...mongol...